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epgorge
02-14-2007, 04:20 PM
Can any tell me if this is an authentic saddle bottle and what would its worth be? How cold one tell?
Ep


https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/7353/EAC2E349D7D14859B8298DB9B3724367.jpg

epgorge
02-14-2007, 04:21 PM
btm

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/7353/3EC5073FCDF646429BD9ED7E333B7010.jpg

bottlenutboy
02-14-2007, 04:30 PM
it seems to have quite a bit of base wear and the top looks pretty crude i would think so but im by no means an expert or for that matter a very reputable source for flasks of any type

epgorge
02-14-2007, 05:28 PM
Something is not right here. It has been unearthed since the 1906 eathquake and it still has dirt on it?
Ep

whiskeyman
02-14-2007, 06:57 PM
EP.....looks like the real item to me. Persian in origins.I haven't heard of any being reproduced, but does seem more are showing up on eBay. I recall when $20 was too high for these, but lately they have been going for over $50.
It's quite possible our Troops in Iraq are acquiring these and bringing/sending them back to the US.
Is that sand ? It may be embedded in the glass. One larger Persian flagon I have has ashes, sand, and black specks in the glass... Some primitive methods of blowing glass existed in those days.

epgorge
02-14-2007, 07:35 PM
That is what sent up the first flag was the sand. Now you mention Iraq and the inreased presence of these bottles on Ebay and I wonder....MMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmm.

This particular bottle was suppose to have been unearthed after the 1906 Earth Quake. Sure has been dirty along time.

There is a very long and lenghty piece on the Quake, regardless of how germaine it is to the sale.

Ep
http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-1800s-Bluish-Green-Saddle-Bottle-frm-San-Francisco_W0QQitemZ330087879679QQihZ014QQcategoryZ 891QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-1800s-Bluish-Green-Saddle-Bottle-frm-San-Francisco_W0QQitemZ330087879679QQihZ014QQcategoryZ 891QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

adshepard
02-14-2007, 08:19 PM
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

http://cgi.ebay.com/1700s-Palm-Size-Blown-Glass-Naval-Boarding-Weapon_W0QQitemZ330086426223QQihZ014QQcategoryZ109 51QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


http://cgi.ebay.com/1800s-Black-Purple-Glass-Naval-Boarding-Weapon_W0QQitemZ330088587670QQihZ014QQcategoryZ666 38QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Amazing how they all have that spiraling around the neck. Must be a commonly used adornment for bottle blowers around the world.

Never trust a seller that provides lots of fluff information that really has little to do with the item they are selling, it's usually a smokescreen.

Alan

cryptozoon
09-13-2010, 12:34 AM
I won this auction (~$50-$60.) I still haven't cleaned it, but the soot looks & feels as
dry & permanent as you find on insulators along abandoned railroad grades; I
could clean it with oxalic acid, but I won't; I'll keep it as documented in this thread.

So far as the 1906 fire provenance, I could care less; the bottle's seller "sirmarkw"
was known to me to be a liar, and I watched him sell his little Mexican "naval boarding
weapons" ("decksweeper grenades") wondering if he'd ever get shut down...then
this one showed up in his listings as a "Persian saddle bottle"...which it may be; or
may be not "Persian"- but a significant type bottle that I doubt has been produced
in this size/weight/form in a very long time; indeed these larger bottles may be one of
many(?) original types that were employed in the fabrication of "deck-sweepers"
along with any other variety of heavy "black glass" bottle that one might have handy?
[The oft-repeated assertion that no bottles were filled with black powder and nails,
etc.; wrapped in tar-and-canvas and fitted with a rope around the neck for hanging
& throwing is probably incorrect...at least some historical documentation alludes
to this as being commonly practiced.]

I'm still researching iron punty pontilled bottles like this one, and will start a new
thread someday when I'm ready...in the meantime, here's another old topic, I thought
could be refreshed!

~Mark