7up 3-1-3 bubble bottle!

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I'm going to conduct a search that focuses entirely on 1941 Owens-Illinois bottles and see if I can detect a trend as to which plants did and did not use Duraglas at the time. Of course this will result in more list that I know everyone just loves. (Lol)

 

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iggy/Rich

I just stumbled onto something that I believe was briefly discussed in the original thread but was never followed up on. During today's search I noticed that a lot of the 1941 Owens-Illinois 7up bottles still had 8 bubbles on the label. I found examples of the 1941 8 bubble bottles from Kentucky, Mississippi, Texas, and South Dakota. The South Dakota and Texas bottles both had Duraglas on the base, but I'm not sure about the other two. Nor am I sure which Plants they were produced at. But the thing is, as hinted at in the original thread, is that the 3-1-3 bottles might have been an early, and possibly even the very first of the early bottles to switch from 8 bubble labels to 7 bubble labels. If you have anything more specific related to this, please share it with us. In the meantime I will continue my various searches and see what I come 7-Up with (pun intended)

 

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I forgot to mention that the 1941 South Dakota, Mississippi, and Kentucky 8 bubble bottles have ACL neck logos, but the 1941 Texas 8 bubble bottle has an embossed neck logo. The Texas bottle is the one I posted a picture of yesterday. If I remember correctly, I believe they discontinued the embossed necks at about the same time they switched to 7 bubbles.

 

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Okay, here's the deal ...

I'm starting to see what appears to be an obvious trend that might point the finger directly at ...

The Los Angeles, California Owens-Illinois Plant #23

Its too soon to draw any conclusions yet, but the culprit behind the 3-1-3 bottles could very well be the Los Angeles plant!

 

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Hey, iggy/Rich

What year(s) were the embossed neck logos typically supposed to have been discontinued? According to the description associated with this particular bottle (some of which are obvious from the pic) it apparently is ...

1. From Spokane, Washington

2. Produced at the LA Plant #23

3. Dated 1942

4. 7 bubble 2-3-2

5. Embossed neck logo

 

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I just remembered this (Bill Lockhart) chart from the original thread and thought I'd re-post it here. It indicates that some of the embossed neck 7 bubble bottles were apparently produced as late as 1944. Anyway, it might come in handy for a future reference ...

 

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In case there was any doubt, this should confirm the existence of a 1944 7up bottle with an embossed neck and 7 bubble label. Its from Salt Lake City, Utah. Notice the Owens-Illinois plant number. Yep, its a 23 for Los Angeles

 

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Next Question ...

Why did the Owens-Illinois Los Angeles plant produce an ACL neck logo on iggy's 1941 Los Angeles bottle but produced an embossed neck logo on the 1944 Salt Lake City bottle?

 

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Hey, iggy/Rich

Another question ...

How many of the Los Angeles 3-1-3 bottles are you aware of? The reason I ask is because the only example(s) I'm are aware of are the one(s) you own. I can't find a picture or reference to another one anywhere. You'd think if they were mass produced that other examples could be found. But if they weren't mass produced, that in itself could be a major clue. In other words, if only a handful of them were ever produced it could very well have been some type of fluke. ???

 

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I borrowed these pics from page one and cropped them for a closer look. I inverted the bottom one because it was upside down in iggy's original pic. I thought it might help to see them again for any possible clues. iggy said both bottles are from Los Angeles and both are 6 1/2 ounce. The main differences I see are ...

1. The mold numbers ... 2 on the top bottle and 3 on the bottom bottle

2. The top bottle doesn't have the slots* but the bottom bottle does.

*I pretty sure those slots were intended to secure the bottle while the ACL was being applied.

Speaking of 6 1/2 ounces, maybe, just maybe there is a direct connection between the 3-1-3 bubbles and 6 1/2 ounces. In other words, maybe they intentionally applied the 3-1-3 bubbles on certain bottles that they knew were only 6 1/2 ounces so they could be easily recognized later and possibly culled later. Remember how tricky it is to tell the difference with the naked eye between a 7 ounce bottle and a 6 1/2 ounce bottle? Well, it probably wasn't any easier for the factory workers and bottlers to tell the difference either. Maybe someone at the factory messed up and somehow produced 6 1/2 ounce bottles instead of 7 ounce bottles, but because they didn't want to dispose of the entire lot they just applied a different ACL to them. Wow! That's a lot of "maybes" aint it?