Stoddard, or not stoddard?

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Seller described this as stoddard, have no clue/don't collect stoddard glass so I can't tell if it is or isn't. Don't particularly care either way, it's a neat bottle. Cool offset lip, nice color, 3 piece mold, pontilled, pretty neat. I didn't know pontilled bottles could have that little center glass nub until now.
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Seller described this as stoddard, have no clue/don't collect stoddard glass so I can't tell if it is or isn't. Don't particularly care either way, it's a neat bottle. Cool offset lip, nice color, 3 piece mold, pontilled, pretty neat. I didn't know pontilled bottles could have that little center glass nub until now.
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Stoddard is a town in New Hampshire which has a long glass making history. Stoddard glass is actually a reference to the locale where it was made, not to a specific glass works. There were 3 Granite Glass Works, New Granite Glass Works and South Stoddard Glass Works.
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"Stoddard Glass – Updated Information from Michael George | Peachridge Glass" https://www.peachridgeglass.com/2012/01/staddard-glass-updated-information-from-michael-george/
 

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Stoddard is a town in New Hampshire which has a long glass making history. Stoddard glass is actually a reference to the locale where it was made, not to a specific glass works. There were 3 Granite Glass Works, New Granite Glass Works and South Stoddard Glass Works.
ROBBYBOBBY64.
"Stoddard Glass – Updated Information from Michael George | Peachridge Glass" https://www.peachridgeglass.com/2012/01/staddard-glass-updated-information-from-michael-george/
It apparently came from a new Hampshire collection so that's a plus
 

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I recently bought an example of this bottle. Last summer at a local flea market I bought a very similar black glass whiskey marked "Dyottville Glass Works, Phila." around the bottom. Other than their size they are identical. Both have "Patent" embossed on the shoulder. I would vote for Dyottville as the maker of this bottle. Dating the bottle is more difficult, I would suggest before 1850.
 
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Harry, Not a valid comparison, the Dyottville whiskey you picture is a much later version than my example,probably post 1860s. My example is crude, darker black glass, iron pontil and well before 1860. I compared the two carefully and the only minor difference between my porter and his bottle is the shoulder, which is slightly more sloping on his bottle, Otherwise his bottle, mine and the whiskey are almost exact.
My understanding is there was no single Stoddard Glass Works, there were five operating in the Stoddard, NH area between the early 1840s and 1870s. That makes identifying a not embossed bottle tough to impossible. Good luck to anyone who can attribute a plain amber or black glass bottle to one of those Stoddard glass works considering the proliferation of glass works which produced that type. The similar bottle I have was dug in Philadelphia which might suggest its origin.
 
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Honestly since there were lots of bottle making companies in the 1850s-1860s in the Eastern states (in NH, MA, CT, PA, NJ, ME and others), and many of them were probably making some type of shorter smaller ale bottle (stubby?) AND the typical larger "cylinder whiskey" (many of them with the word "PATENT" on the shoulder) I think there is no way to know for SURE where any of those bottles were made unless they bear a makers mark, or have a certified provenance going back for many years within a family, OR they were actually dug from a factory site.

The "stubby" bottle posted by "bottles_inc" looks just like a bottle I bought at a yard sale in Kentucky 10-15 years ago. Same dark olive-amber color, very crude applied lip, and "sand" pontiled. I have no idea where it was made. Possibly it could be from Stoddard, but also could have been made by any of lots of other bottle companies.

Also, (this is not about the Stoddard Stubby) but concerning the taller "Cylinder whiskey bottle" types, some were made in the mid-1850s (if not earlier), just an example, in this article by Bill Lockhart he illustrates a very rare mark seen on a cylinder whiskey (MAUL HEBREW & Co) and that bottle can be dated tightly to 1855-1856 .
https://sha.org/bottle/pdffiles/MOther.pdf
And yes they were made for many years afterward, at least into the 1880s.
 

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