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    Bottle fakes intended to deceive (not repro's)

    Not sure if word has reached the US yet, but there's a scandal brewing here in the UK about cleverly faked higher value ($800+) British antique bottles. Something to be aware of on the N American side of the pond, but not necessarily worried about.

    It started here about 18 months ago but has only recently started to come to a head. Most of the suspect bottles will be of little or no interest to US collectors because they are UK-specific types (mostly rare coloured codds patent variations, with one or two British inks as well) but there are some to be aware of, particularly a numer of 2-pint amber London Warners. There has even been a single instance of a rare British poison (a large size amber star) being faked.

    There are two categories of 'fakes' involved.

    1) Some appear to have been blown from scratch. These include rare dark colored burst lip cottage inks, and the 2 pint amber Warners.
    2) The others are genuine antique bottles that have had the original embossing removed, and new embossing engraved using relatively high tech flowjet methods (really, I'm not kidding).

    None of the fakes so far are likely to fool experienced collectors so long as they have been forewarned. But experienced collectors were caught out initially, and some prominent UK collectors lost large amounts of money. More inexperienced collectors continue to be caught out. Luckily the Warners are obviously wrong to anyone who has handled the real thing, and were immediately spotted.

    It is expected and hoped that this problem will be resolved soon. But be aware of it, until it is.

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    RE: Bottle fakes intended to deceive (not repro's)

    photos would be great!

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    RE: Bottle fakes intended to deceive (not repro's)

    That's just plain evi...what a dragl

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    RE: Bottle fakes intended to deceive (not repro's)

    I meant EVIL

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    RE: Bottle fakes intended to deceive (not repro's)

    What are the Warners. Are they London, 4 city or..?

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    RE: Bottle fakes intended to deceive (not repro's)

    2) The others are genuine antique bottles that have had the original embossing removed, and new embossing engraved using relatively high tech flowjet methods (really, I'm not kidding).
    We have heard of that a bit already, it was discussed in an earlier thread. Would be nice to see some examples.

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    RE: Bottle fakes intended to deceive (not repro's)

    Hello Jerry,

    Here's that recent thread: https://www.antique-bottles.net/foru...-1/key-/tm.htm

    T'would be very hands across the pond if you could post some photos of y'all's culprits...


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    RE: Bottle fakes intended to deceive (not repro's)

    I'd love to see some pics too, just to educate myself on their appearence.

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    RE: Bottle fakes intended to deceive (not repro's)

    It started here about 18 months ago but has only recently started to come to a head. Most of the suspect bottles will be of little or no interest to US collectors because they are UK-specific types (mostly rare coloured codds patent variations, with one or two British inks as well) but there are some to be aware of, particularly a numer of 2-pint amber London Warners.
    Sorry Jerry, I missed this was mentioned and that it was so old. Knowing now you were certainly not talking about all the repro Rochester bottles. Those and the others are still of interest and if you have more info I'd appreciate it.



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