Picked up a cool pot lid today at the Baltimore Bottle Show ...
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GuntherHess
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Dont really know much about your lid.
I did read that Samuel Horn's Lowell Soap factory burned down in 1874 so its earlier than that...but I think you already knew that[
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I did read that Samuel Horn's Lowell Soap factory burned down in 1874 so its earlier than that...but I think you already knew that[
]I believe these are an unpublished American lid from Boston. Comes in a couple of variations. Not rare but a very different design from most in the region.
How was this years show? Made the the last 3 but unfortunately not 2010.
How was this years show? Made the the last 3 but unfortunately not 2010.
TROG
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Hi Andy,
Nice lid and quite scarce but they do turn up every so often and probably from around 1865- 70. Most I have heard about have been in the U S or come from there so 99% sure they are American.This is the other variation but not sure which is the earliest.
Hope this helps David
Nice lid and quite scarce but they do turn up every so often and probably from around 1865- 70. Most I have heard about have been in the U S or come from there so 99% sure they are American.This is the other variation but not sure which is the earliest.
Hope this helps David
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As an x-resident, these do turn up in New England. Brimfield or the Little Rhody shows are places I have found them. More recently at the UK winternational, and Ebay AU. Like anything, it's amazing how many there are out there once you start looking for them.
These have a particually flat face and maybe closer to 1850. Google used to have a number of Harvard books online that listed the Horne soap businees history in Mas.
These have a particually flat face and maybe closer to 1850. Google used to have a number of Harvard books online that listed the Horne soap businees history in Mas.
GuntherHess
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The Horn & Allen firm seems to have formed in 1832 I assume its the earlier....
http://books.google.com/books?id=hCgWAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA15&lpg=PA15&dq=%22horn+%26+allen%22+lowell&source=bl&ots=OvxrTR_L0g&sig=WXf4cW7Idfuwby60pHyDQH7ex_s&hl=en&ei=fPWUS7OjMM6M8AaRp5GoBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22horn%20%26%20allen%22%20lowell&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=hCgWAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA15&lpg=PA15&dq=%22horn+%26+allen%22+lowell&source=bl&ots=OvxrTR_L0g&sig=WXf4cW7Idfuwby60pHyDQH7ex_s&hl=en&ei=fPWUS7OjMM6M8AaRp5GoBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22horn%20%26%20allen%22%20lowell&f=false
andy g
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Thanks for the responses and the image. I also dragged out my copy of the Harmer Rooke Galleries auction from 1993 of the Sonny & Barbara Jackson Pot Lid Collection and found one Horn lid (mine and not the example posted by David) under the European section. But then again the Jacksons did not have the benefit of the internet and Google. It is evident based upon a little search that this is an American pot lid from Lowell, Massachusetts (located about 35 miles north of Boston) produced by a soap and candle manufacturer named Samuel Horn.
Based upon the information on Google (yes, Matt, I did take a peek but could not find the fire you were referring to), I am guessing that the Horn & Allen partnership ran from 1832 to 1850. Then Samuel Horn was solo or with his sone thereafter from 1850 onward because Otis Allen turned his attentions to lumber and box making. Apparently, Samuel Horn enterprise existed into at least the 1880s. However, I could not find any advertising for Lowell Soap but my success was probably limited because could not find digitized versions of local or Boston papers from that era.
Based upon the information on Google (yes, Matt, I did take a peek but could not find the fire you were referring to), I am guessing that the Horn & Allen partnership ran from 1832 to 1850. Then Samuel Horn was solo or with his sone thereafter from 1850 onward because Otis Allen turned his attentions to lumber and box making. Apparently, Samuel Horn enterprise existed into at least the 1880s. However, I could not find any advertising for Lowell Soap but my success was probably limited because could not find digitized versions of local or Boston papers from that era.
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