Value of cobalt pontil umbrella

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I know value is not something to be discussed casually for something like this, but I need some opinions. I do not have the intact ink bottle, I have the cracked one. I'm showing the pictures of mine for comparison. Tom has the whole one, which he said is in very good shape. No chips or cracks or anything, but I haven't seen it cleaned up yet, so I don't know how sick. I'll report back on Sunday. The color and shape of the bottles are identical. The only difference is the pontil. Tom's ink has a less distinct OP, with only a bit of rough glass around the edges of the indentation. I don't know if that lowers the value or not, I'd assume not since you can't see the pontil when it's being displayed.

Anyway, Tom intends to sell it and we will split the profit. The more opinions I get on value, the better an idea I'll get of the bottle's actual value, so I can tell Tom if he should sell at a certain price or not. We won't sell it before the Baltimore show, although I've heard that's where all the high-end glass changes hands... That should certainly be fun, walking around with a bottle like this and being able to say "yeah, we dug it!"

So, hit me.

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I don't intend to sell the amber-yellow ink, I doubt I'd be able to bring myself to anyway, I love it too much!

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If it was mine I'd put it on my table for $2500 and wouldn't take less then $1800 you don't see many pontiled umbrellas in such a dark shade of cobalt blue.

You both should be able to buy a few nice bottles for your collections with the profit.

Chris
 

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Thanks for the input Chris. I do have my eye on something, that Ransley double handled cobalt script jug... I quote myself from a previous thread:

In my dreams, I can get one of those jugs.

It's almost within my grasp now! [:)] Well, assuming nothing goes horribly wrong.
 

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I'm calling it a bit lower. I've seen cobalt down to $700, but more like $1000 to $1200. Yup, you can put it on a table for $2500, but I'm betting it sits there for rather a long time. I DO agree that the darkness of the cobalt pushes it above the $700 mark. I think the privy digging successes actually somewhat hurt the value, as there are more of these sorts of inks on the market than there used to be (not calling them common, but let's face it, there are more of them out there now than 20 years ago).

It's always tough to give a really accurate number though. It really is worth what someone will pay for it. Someone with more resources than I, trying to put together a run of pontiled umbrellas, is going to pay more...

Jim G
 

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the pontil sheared lip cobalt umbrella inks are pretty scarce... most collectors have to settle for the tooled lip smooth base variants that are usually not to crude to boot... you guys got a good ink there...
 

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If it helps, here's the actual ink in question... Can't imagine a finer example. Tom did an amazing job cleaning it, and he swears he didn't tumble it. Apparently he has a very effective secret method. His digging partner Jim Jack paid $2500 to learn the method, and only after years of digging together did Jim teach it to Tom... Neither will ever reveal the method, apparently... I'll get it out of Tom eventually. Maybe he'll leave it to me in his will. That's fine, I can wait... [8D]

This one is identical to the amber ink in height, lip treatment, key mold base, weak pontil, etc... They were probably made by the same highly skilled glass blower, because of how clean the pontils are. By the way, I was so impressed with Tom's cleaning skills that I gave him my ink to clean... You can bet you'll see 50 pictures of it cleaned up better on Sunday, when I get it back from him!

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Everyone at the club was stunned by it, as was I! I couldn't believe it was the same bottle we had dug.

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Dang near identical to the amber! Also look at all the base wear. Supports our guess that the inks are 1850's, and the family had them around for a while, then finally disposed of them around 1865, when the house was built.

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