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sorry for so many pics..but as you see I had to post them all..
 

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You got a good deal on a nice group of stuff! They run from common to a little out of the ordinary.

Can you supply the exact embossings? Sometimes small differences in embossing can make a big difference in rarity and desirability. I’m going to make a few assumptions based on what I can see in the photos, but I’m sure I may miss some things by not staring at the photo long enough. [;)]
First photo, L to R –
#1 CD 154 Hemingray-42, extremely common, no value.
# 2 CD 106 No 9, telephone pony style. Does it have any embossing on the other side? If not, this “no-name†style is not common, but won’t generate excitement, either, listed at 3-5 dollars (and would normally sell for less than that at a large insulator show). I think some suspect these were made by Gayner.
#3 CD 152, Brookfield. The style is common, but I think this is the one you showed in other photos with the amber swirls or a different one? Ordinary aqua or green would be a dollar or two at most. If it's the amber swirled one, more on that later.
#4 CD 121 Am Tel & Tel Co – common (as you can probably guess, AT&T used a LOT of insulators), but there are a few embossing variations that specialists would be interested in buying, and those can sell for a fair amount.

Second photo:
#1 CD 252 – can’t see the embossing so I won’t hazard a value guess here. These were used on cables for streetcars and also electrical power distribution.
#2 CD 190 and 191, telephone transposition. I think the embossing is only TWO PIECE TRANSPOSITION (??). The most common variant is about 10-15 dollars, but condition would have to be top-notch, especially because the bottom piece of these is often cracked. Again, if the embossing is different, the value estimate would need to change.
#3 CD 145, “beehive†style used in telegraph lines. I think it’s a crown embossed Brookfield, but would need the exact embossing. Most varieties are a couple dollars, but a specialist might pay more to get a variant they’re looking for – backward letters, misspellings, snow or metal inclusions, things like that.
#4 CD 133, I think it’s another Brookfield, but need the embossing. Crown embossed Brookfields often have faint embossing, so please check it over well, perhaps in bright sunlight. I think that’s the same insulator you show close up in the next photo?

Hawley beehive with the amber swirl – CD 145. Amber isn’t too unusual in Hawleys, which often have lots of crudeness, so maybe 5.00, perhaps a bit more on a good day.

CD 152 Brookfield with amber – Is that the same one as in the first photo? The photos definitely show lots of amber, but this style, and Brookfields in the 1911-1920 period often have lots of odd coloring and swirls, so unfortunately, it’s not a “big bucks†kind of piece -- maybe 5-10 (but keep in mind that's my low-range estimate, and I'm a stingy SOB [:D]). It’ll certainly make a pretty window piece, though! I’ll add that amber is a quirky thing for values. Some folks will pay well for dramatic, dynamic amber swirling, others won’t.

Green Brookfield pony – CD 102. I wouldn’t use any sort of extra word to describe shade. To me that’s “green†and it’s listed in the price guide as 3-5 (the embossing would be front - BROOKFIELD, back - NEW YORK, with a number or dot on top - if yours is different, please let me know). If the color’s more vivid, the price would be higher. It’s not always easy to tell just from looking at a photo online.

Brookfield beehive – CD 145. Any patents on the back or other embossing? It’s a nice old 1890s piece, but Western Union used zillions of these beehives so they’re in ample supply and usually sell for a couple bucks at most. Additional snow, swirls, bubbles, embossing oddities would affect price.

Hope that helps. You have a nice little collection started!!
 

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You got a good deal on a nice group of stuff! They run from common to a little out of the ordinary.

Can you supply the exact embossings? Sometimes small differences in embossing can make a big difference in rarity and desirability. I’m going to make a few assumptions based on what I can see in the photos, but I’m sure I may miss some things by not staring at the photo long enough. [;)]
First photo, L to R –
#1 CD 154 Hemingray-42, extremely common, no value.

light blue or hemingray blue mint no chips

# 2 CD 106 No 9, telephone pony style. Does it have any embossing on the other side? If not, this “no-name†style is not common, but won’t generate excitement, either, listed at 3-5 dollars (and would normally sell for less than that at a large insulator show). I think some suspect these were made by Gayner.
No writing on the back

#3 CD 152, Brookfield. The style is common, but I think this is the one you showed in other photos with the amber swirls or a different one? Ordinary aqua or green would be a dollar or two at most. If it's the amber swirled one, more on that later.
Not the same with amber..

#4 CD 121 Am Tel & Tel Co – common (as you can probably guess, AT&T used a LOT of insulators), but there are a few embossing variations that specialists would be interested in buying, and those can sell for a fair amount.

Am. tel & tel co.



Second photo:
#1 CD 252 – can’t see the embossing so I won’t hazard a value guess here. These were used on cables for streetcars and also electrical power distribution.
HEMINGRAY-62 BACK MADE IN U.S.A. 4-8 ::::. has a chip out of rim


#2 CD 190 and 191, telephone transposition. I think the embossing is only TWO PIECE TRANSPOSITION (??). The most common variant is about 10-15 dollars, but condition would have to be top-notch, especially because the bottom piece of these is often cracked. Again, if the embossing is different, the value estimate would need to change.
yes you are correct. bottom not crack but does have some chips


#3 CD 145, “beehive†style used in telegraph lines. I think it’s a crown embossed Brookfield, but would need the exact embossing. Most varieties are a couple dollars, but a specialist might pay more to get a variant they’re looking for – backward letters, misspellings, snow or metal inclusions, things like that.

W.BROOKEFIELD 45 CLIFF ST N.Y. BACK IS FAINT LIKE GHOST IN SOME PLACES PATD NOV 13 1883 TH (the th is very crooked) FEB 12 1884 TOP HAS 2 NUMBERS 17 AN EITHER IA or 19 I will need to get you a photo this can't be explained



#4 CD 133, I think it’s another Brookfield, but need the embossing. Crown embossed Brookfields often have faint embossing, so please check it over well, perhaps in bright sunlight. I think that’s the same insulator you show close up in the next photo?
TOP HAS 10 BROOKEFIELD CLIFF ST N.Y. has egde chips on bottom


Hawley beehive with the amber swirl – CD 145. Amber isn’t too unusual in Hawleys, which often have lots of crudeness, so maybe 5.00, perhaps a bit more on a good day.

CD 152 Brookfield with amber – Is that the same one as in the first photo? The photos definitely show lots of amber, but this style, and Brookfields in the 1911-1920 period often have lots of odd coloring and swirls, so unfortunately, it’s not a “big bucks†kind of piece -- maybe 5-10 (but keep in mind that's my low-range estimate, and I'm a stingy SOB [:D]). It’ll certainly make a pretty window piece, though! I’ll add that amber is a quirky thing for values. Some folks will pay well for dramatic, dynamic amber swirling, others won’t.

Green Brookfield pony – CD 102. I wouldn’t use any sort of extra word to describe shade. To me that’s “green†and it’s listed in the price guide as 3-5 (the embossing would be front - BROOKFIELD, back - NEW YORK, with a number or dot on top - if yours is different, please let me know). If the color’s more vivid, the price would be higher. It’s not always easy to tell just from looking at a photo online.

has 16 on top

Brookfield beehive – CD 145. Any patents on the back or other embossing? It’s a nice old 1890s piece, but Western Union used zillions of these beehives so they’re in ample supply and usually sell for a couple bucks at most. Additional snow, swirls, bubbles, embossing oddities would affect price.

THIS IS A ODD ONE.. HAS WHAT LOOKS TO BE DOUBLE TRIPLE STAMP IN GHOST LETTERS ABOVE THE DEEP EMBOSSING W. BROOKFIELD . NEW YORK BACK AT TOP B THEN IT HAS PAT NOV 13 TH 1883 ,, FEB 12TH 1884

Hope that helps. You have a nice little collection started!!
I hope this helps
 

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Bill's pretty right on with his info-

amber in brookfields isn't uncommon- their quality control after 1911 wasn't too great, so a lot of their insulator show up with amber or junk in the glass or some sort of defect. Never the less, amber and junk always adds some value to an insulator.
I believe a ghost embossing happens when the blob of glass used for making the insulator enters the mold and bumps into part of the embossing before it's fully formed, so the final product shows the fully formed embossing and whatever part of the embossing the somewhat-molton-but-not-quite-maybe-plastic glass bumped into.
CREBs and brookfields show up with letters or numbers, or a combination of the two all the time. The value of an insulator usually isn't effected by the presence or absence of a shop number or letter, but of course that's not always true. There's lots of times where a mold letter might make something rare, but with brookfeilds, usually a shop number or letter doesn't change much value wise unless it's a rare number or letter that a specialty collector is looking for.

That hawley looks like it's got a backwards "S", but in it's case the value is the same as one with a normal "S" (happens on a few insulators- i have an american insulator co. 134 with some backwards letter and it's worth the same as one with the correct embossing)
I think Hawleys were made form like... 1902-1905? or was it... 1903-05? There's like 3 companies that only operated for a few years- Hawly, California insulator company, ohio valley glass co. and i'm sure i'm forgetting some... those are just the 3 i remember.
Point is... one of them was from 1902-05... maybe it was hawley. Could'a been OVGCo... couldn't have been california...

that hemi-62 is worth like $5 if you ask me. Sometimes you can still see them in use along old power lines, usually doing duty on the neutral wire.
Bill's always got me beat to the info... so i don't have much to add. -_-
 

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