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Asterx

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Here's a couple pontiled cylinders I purchased from ebay recently. They look to be sand/sticky ball pontiled to me. Also the form of the whiskey cylinder is different. I don't see black glass in this shape really. Any ideas are very welcome as I am not an expert in black glass. Thanks!

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Here is the whole bottle that the above base is from...

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Here's a rum type bottle...

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And its base. rough and picky to the touch starting about 1/3rd of the way in. Thanks for looking!

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asterisk80. That firs pioture is not an empontilled mark because there are three vent hole cones and it looks like something is embossed. I noted that the full bottle picture under it is no doubt tells me that it could be early machine made. The next bottle is obviously carrying a tooled finish and should have horizontal lines of the tool on the tapered finish surfaces. I say this because the glass neck under the finish looks compressed. The base of that bottle looks like it could have been empontilled, but it has a center vent dot, so that makes me doubt it was empontilled because the punty rod would leave that dot stay there.
That is about all there is I can see. Is there any embossing on the body of the bottles?

Also, I doubt if they are actually black glass as we call some really dark green earlier glass. RED Matthews
 

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Hi again, I guess your posts on these bottles must have been posted twice. The earlier one had a finish picture that wasn't shown the first time. It has an interesting mark on the top taper of the finish. I can't tell what caused it but it must have been touched by a carriers tool or some type of tool hit it or it tipped over on its way to annealing. I really like the marks on glass because until they are really studied - they are bottlemysteries. RED Matthews
 

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Hi Red, thanks for you reply. The pictures I took really aren't the best but the finish on both certainly look applied to me. Here's a picture of the first's finish.

I guess I'm a little confused by what you mention about the embossed dots. Are you saying it cannot be pontiled if there is embossing within the center of the base? Wouldn't some punty rods with whatever medium they are using to empontil (glass, sand etc.) just make contact with the outer areas of the base as is shown with the circular scar and leave the inside smooth or embossed? Thanks

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I forgot to mention that aside from the 3 dots and the 1 dot on the second there is no embossing.
 

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I like that first one in particular I don't know too much, but I would guess it's from the 1860s.
 

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