Earliest known Iron Pontilled Bottles

beendiggin · Mar 27, 2013

I would like to see some examples of early iron pontilled bottles. I don't have any, so I'm no help, but what are the earliest known examples of iron pontillled bottles. A recent post about the broken Alfs sodas listed on E bay has made me curious as to the earliest known use of that method of empontilling. Thanks for any help.

botlguy · Mar 27, 2013

I have always used the dates of 1855 - 1865 +/- a few years. That has been the answer to that question for 45 + years but it could have been changed over that time. I'm listening to smarter minds, better researchers.

epackage · Mar 27, 2013

Here's my 1850 example...

myersdiggers1998 · Mar 27, 2013

my only I.P.

botlguy · Mar 27, 2013

ORIGINAL: epackage
Here's my 1850 example...

Jim, does that bottle actually date to 1850 or could that be an "Established" sort of date? I'm not really doubting it, just trying to really pin it down.

epackage · Mar 27, 2013

ORIGINAL: botlguy
Jim, does that bottle actually date to 1850 or could that be an "Established" sort of date? I'm not really doubting it, just trying to really pin it down.

Archdeacon started in 1847 Jim...

Road Dog · Mar 27, 2013

The Courtland Street Tweddles all date pre 1849. Tweddle was first listed in 1843-44. These were open pontils no doubt. I think 1846-49 would be the iron pontil Courtland street Tweddles. In 1849/50 Tweddle Jr was operating from the Barclay address.I also have a J & A Dearborn that dates 1849-50 that is iron pontil.

botlguy · Mar 27, 2013

Even though this was Paul's original thread / post and this issue has been discussed before I thank you all for your education and documentation. This part of bottle collecting interests me almost as much as the bottles themselves.

beendiggin · Mar 27, 2013

It's sort of an unexact science due to all the different bottle makers and the overlappping of methods individual glashouses and perhaps individual glasblowers used. We can obviously use dated bottles and other known timelines of manufacturing to pin down the glass makers methods. Very interesting post. I wish I saw examples of pontilled sodas here in Maine but, unfortunately, there is basically none.

andy volkerts · Mar 27, 2013

Just on all the sodas I have seen over the years, I would safeley state that 1843 would be the earliest that iron pontils came into usage, I have tried to run patent dates and the earliest I could find was 1847, I will try to find that search and get back with the info re who and where.........

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