Well Mitch. This is an old thread now. We are at our summer home om NY and will be back to FL by the end of Sept. We have migrated with the geese and black birds for over 40 years,. I never thought birds should be smarter than people. Atvleast they don't collecr bottles - so matbe they are. My daughter will have a lot of selling to do. I have been righting descriptions and numbering glass for months. RED M.