[attachment=131_1916.JPG] [attachment=131_1920.JPG] [attachment=131_1922.JPG] Hi everyone, I recently picked up this beautiful deep amethyst jug/ decanter from a local antique shop, the guy I bought it from told me it was from the late 1700's and English in origin. Do any of you think you might be able to help me determine if this a genuine article? Many thanks, Caleb.
1700's? amethyst jug
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cowseatmaize
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Hi, Is your nz meaning your in New Zealand? I'm doubting the age myself. Maybe it's just the image but it looks like more modern glass reproduction from a museum or something.Is that an engraved "M" at about 12:30 in the base picture and is there more?
Hi thanks for your reply, Yes I was doubting the authenticity myself, of course the guy I bought it from told me it was the real deal and he has dealt with items from the period for years, maybe the reason why there aren't many imperfections with it is because more time was put into creating it than with a normal bottle as perhaps it was used in stately homes? I'm not too sure either way, but it is definitely hand blown and the glass is very thin. The 'm' is just a reflection and the other markings are irregularities in the glass. Yes I am from New Zealand. Regards, Caleb.
cowseatmaize
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The color may have been used for the "stately homes" but if someone was going for that market I think they would have added some more detail also, or at least make the handle more even and fancier. The craftsmen were around but it was time consuming and expensive.My opinion is no earlier that 1940 but couldn't tell you where it was made. I hope you didn't pay much or can get your money back if you find out for sure.It's still a nice color and a few flowers would look great in it.
epgorge
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I agree with Cows... that it is 20th century. It is nicely crafted but that color while reminiscent of a puce, just doesn't look right to me. Also, it is remiss of any base wear. If it were from the 1700's it would have more wear on the bottom. At first I wondered if it were a wine decanter but I would think it is a fancy vase. Huge open pontil. The handle attachment on the bottom of the handle doesn't appear to be tooled. I can't see the top attachment, though it does look as if it has some tooling marks on it. Does it have any residual in it that you can investigate? If you can figure out what the content was you may have a better idea of when it was produced. Nice piece regardless of age. Red is studying handle attachments. Perhaps, he can give you his opinion on it.Joel
epgorge
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It does have a Persian look to it, doesn't it? After thinking about it, why would a vase have a handle on it? Maybe a wine or mead. We are going on just a few pictures so you should have it checked out for authenticity.Joel
Thanks for your comments everyone, I will be taking it to the local collectables club next week to see what the members have to say, in natural sunlight it is much more of a purple colour than puce. It does have some sort of residue inside, but can't make out what it is. The lack of wear on the base had me worried too. Regards, Caleb.
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