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Hence ... In my humble opinion, these are Gl (GI) and not G1. With all three indicating 1937 bottles. 1. squirtbob's Upper 10 Bottle2. Morb's Royal Crown Cola Bottle3. carling's ABC Bottle
 

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P.S. One of the reasons I signed off from this thread (which seems contradictory now) is because I'm still working on a new and separate thread which will focus on the history of the Glenshaw Glass Company as well as other Glenshaw specific topics including an updated chart which will include the double letter codes as well as the single letter codes. But because this thread is under the title of Royal Crown Cola and is somewhat specific to dating those particular bottles, I didn't want to get too far afield with the Glenshaw stuff that might not be appropriate to this thread. Plus, in the new thread I want to share some Glenshaw newspaper articles I think everyone will find interesting like the time when tons of molten glass flooded into the basement and caused the Glenshaw factory to completely shut down. Please watch for the new thread which might be titled ... GLENSHAW GLASS COMPANY ~ HISTORY ~ DATE CODES ~ ETC
 

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SODAPOPBOB said:
P.S. As to blowing my mind and me freaking out if a GG is found ... Heck, I'll do back flips even if a solo G is found (Other than on the late 1920s and early 1930s bottles) I haven't seen a 1932 or later solo G yet and starting to wonder if they even exist. Maybe, just maybe they actually started with the GH for 1936 ???

I don't think there is a G used on the bottles from 1932 until 1935. Like I said the use of that G was their trademark until they started putting the G in a square on their bottles. It may turn out that there wasn't a code for 1935; however, it makes perfect sense for the glass company to start with the first letter of their name. We shall see.
 

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morbious_fod said:
Good job Carling, that's what we've been needing, artifact evidence with which to make educated hypotheses.

Ditto! Thus, carling qualifies for one of my infamous Gold Stars to acknowledge his contributions ...
 

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morbious_fod said:
Sodapopbob was trying to verify it through ads on the Newspaper Archive site, which from experience I know is grossly lacking when looking for a complete source of newspapers, which is why I dropped them after a year;
Morb To clarify what I meant about not finding a G bottle between 1932 and 1935, I meant that I haven't seen a G code on an actual bottle yet. I used 1932 because the earliest reference we have seen so far regarding Glenshaw using any lip letters is from the 1931 Ad below. That's why I'm quoting a portion of what you said in your opening statement about newspaper articles. In my opinion, magazine Ads and artist illustrations associated with them are no more reliable than are newspaper Ads. Just because the 1932 Ad doesn't illustrate any G's on the lip doesn't necessarily confirm that the actual bottles at the time didn't have them. For all we know the actual bottles might have had a G on the lip all the way from 1931 to 1935 and for some reason the 1932 Ad just didn't illustrate them. I'm not trying to split hairs or create controversy here, but rather, as you said in your last post, just trying to use "artifact evidence with which to make educated hypotheses." Personally, I don't consider newspaper Ads nor magazine Ads as "artifacts." Respectfully, Bob
 

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Lastly ... Why are we all of a sudden seeing examples of GH GI and GJ bottles but only one actual G bottle? (With a confirmed date for the G bottle still in question). The same can be asked about the existence of a GG bottle. Are we to assume the reason is because the G and/or GG bottles are extremely rare and one just hasn't turned up yet? Or is it possibly because they don't exist, other than the one I posted earlier who's actual date of production still needs to be confirmed? The owner of the G bottle indicated it was from 1927, but I still wonder where he got that date and seriously call into question the 1925 and the 1927 on the base of his bottles. Here's an example of a Tom Tucker bottle I have that has 1937 on the base, (which I believe is a style number), but has an R on the lip for 1946.
 

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Lastly-lastly [;)]
Just for the record ...

http://njbottles.com/index.php?topic=735.0

Owner's Description:

"The quart is embossed on both sides "J. WEINER & CO. INC./ WOODBRIDGE, N.J.", plus the other stuff. The base says it's from 1927. The lip has a very small letter "G", which was from the Glenshaw Glass Company. They dated their bottles by the letters on the lip each year, starting with G for Glenshaw in 1927."


I strongly suspect the 1927 is a bottle style number and not a date for when the bottle was produced! I base my suspicions about the 1927 not just because of my Tom Tucker bottle but because of other, similar examples where the so called date on the base did not jive with the lip letter. (I plan to address this anomaly in more detail when I start my new thread). And to tell you the truth, I'm not convinced yet that this is even a Glenshaw bottle. Notice there is no G in-a-square on the base. I suppose it can be argued this is because it was made before 1932 when the G in-a-box was supposedly introduced. But if that's the case, then why didn't the owner mention any other embossing such as G.G.Co. which should be on the bottle somewhere? Or maybe there is a G.G.Co. on the heel and that's how he determined it was a Glenshaw bottle. Whatever the explanation, I still question the 1927 as being a date. As to when this bottle might actually have been made if not in 1927, I believe a lot more research is required before safely determining that. Who knows, maybe this is one of the first G bottles from 1935 but we just don't realize it yet. ??? < Please note the question marks!
 

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Just for the record and because we can only attach three images per reply ... [ Attachment is self explanatory and the best I can do to capture the entire image ]
 

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Squirtbob, to answer your question to me regarding if the date scheme that you are advocating makes sense for the bottles I posted, unfortunately I couldn't tell you. I don't have the multiple sequential years of the same bottle to closely examine like your Squirts. Cowseatmaize, yes the bottles I posted do all have the G in the square on the base. Sodapopbob, thanks for the star! Good catch on the I versus 1 controversy when looking at embossed words like "REGISTERED", where the letter I without crossbars is used. I also noticed they used the distinct number 1 when referencing 12 ounces. Rick
 

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