Ward's Orange Crush by Alco Bottling?

Canadacan · Jun 2, 2015

I need some help to authenticate these bottles, or more so documentation from some online source that would reveal a little more information on this Bottler ...someone in the collecting field is questing the authenticity of them...He says " I really think that they are not authentic" I believe beyond a shadow of doubt they are real. The question is did Alco-Nevin Frank Co. bottle Ward's Orange Crush at this time? He claims to his knowledge that it was bottled in Eureka,California by Ernst-Delaney, in Yakima, Washington by Cascade Bottling and in Chicago by Orange-Crush Ltd., I'm pretty sure it was bottled by more than just three bottlers otherwise they would have never succeeded! ...I have a couple of other supporting photo's to add later if needed. I would think the Alco Label on the bottom was just extra advertising for them. [attachment=11303567_480057918.6780_267849818_n.jpg]

Canadacan · Jun 2, 2015

This is the Ward's Crush's with the group of other Alco soda products....note there is another bottle Concorde ????.. something? with the same Alco bottom label as the Ward's Crush's. If any of you are members of Soda Bottles Collectors group on FB you may have seen this photo. [attachment=11164827_474024109...623344986627_n.jpg]

carling · Jun 3, 2015

Don't know anything about Orange Crush or Alco, but do you have a photo of the backs where you can see through the glass and check out how these labels were attached? Might be able to tell by how they were glued, if they look original to the bottle or someone slapped them on yesterday. The label conditions do look age appropriate. From your photos I can't make out a city mentioned on the labels. Googling shows Alco Bottling Nevin-Frank Co. of Butte, Montana. There is one that sold with a label on an amber bottle that can be viewed on Worthpoint, but you have to be a member to see the price. Does the seller say where or how they were found? Looks like someone had to find a crate of them. Would be nice to see the crate.

SODAPOPBOB · Jun 3, 2015

The earliest date I have seen for Nevin-Frank Bottling of Butte, Montana is 1921 According to these newspaper articles/ads, Nevin-Frank had bottling facilities in ... Butte, Montana (Parent Company Location) Billings, Montana Great Falls, Montana Missoula, Montana Pocatello, Idaho [ Attachments ] 1. The Billings Gazette ~ Billings, Montana ~ June 23, 1926 ~ Billings opening - No mention of Orange Crush2. The Billings Gazette ~ Billings, Montana ~ June 23, 1926 ~ Same page/same date as above 3. Montana Butte Standard ~ Butte, Montana ~ April 30, 1937 ~ Orange Crush They were definitely bottling Orange Crush in the krinkly bottle at least as early as 1937, but I'm not sure if they bottled Ward's Orange Crush with the paper labels, and if they did, I'm not sure when. But if they did, it must have been later than 1926. ( I'm not sure when the Ward's Orange Crush paper labels began and ended )

Canadacan · Jun 3, 2015

carling the city on the Alco labels is Butte MT. I'll have the bottles in hand soon and inspect the backs. No history on the find other than they came out of MT. I had seen a crate on the net but cant find it now...It's a 1940's crate that showed....I think Franks Beverages?...and it said right on the crate Formerly known as Nevin-Frank Co. Bob thanks so much for digging those up!....I would suspect my bottles have to be from before the expansion...the early 20's....I think by the time they expanded the Krinkly bottles were being used, being that the patent on them was 1920 and then taking into consideration that many bottlers used bottles as long as they could. Ward's paper labels were used from 1916-20. The 1937 ad is pretty strong evidence to suggest that they were involved with bottling Ward's Crush.... at least I know now that they bottled Orange Crush.The second document sadly does not show Ward's Crush on it but that Advertisement was to solely promote Alco right?

Eric · Jun 3, 2015

Wow... I hope it turns out well for you.. those look awesome.. what a great find.

SODAPOPBOB · Jun 4, 2015

Based on what I've been seeing, there appears to be a grey area between the time when the Ward's Orange Crush paper labels were discontinued and the time when Alco/Nevin-Frank bottling was established, which suggest the possibility the Alco/Nevin-Frank paper label 'might' have been added to the Ward's Orange Crush bottle afterwards. ?
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2006/reminiscing052506.htm 1906-1916 Orange Crush/Ward's Orange Crush

http://www.angelfire.com/yt/soda/Rosman-OC-amber.html 1910-1920 Ward's Orange Crush era

http://www.collectorsweekly.com/advertising/orange-crush 1920 - Ward's paper labels discontinued

https://goo.gl/KmiSoj 1921 Nevin-Frank Patent/Trademark

https://goo.gl/dY7drb 1921 Alco Nevin-Frank Patent/Trademark

https://goo.gl/wQwG18 1922 Re-ly-on Bottler Magazine

SODAPOPBOB · Jun 4, 2015

Or possibly vice versa and a Ward's Orange Crush paper label was added to a bottle embossed with Butte, Montana that had a Alco/Nevin-Frank label on it.

SODAPOPBOB · Jun 4, 2015

Question ... Why does the 1926 Alco/Nevin-Frank advertisement include various brands of soda but not Orange Crush? (And yet it does include a brand called Orangekist)

SODAPOPBOB · Jun 4, 2015

Here's a good example of the grey area I referred to. Because this Norman Rockwell advertising poster for Nevin-Frank says "Ward's" Orange Crush on it, it's natural to assume that Nevin-Frank bottled it under that name during the Ward's Orange Crush era of the teens. However, notice it depicts a krinkly bottle and not a paper label bottle. The description did not include an exact date, but they guessed the poster to be from the 1940s, which I question and do not think was that late. I'm thinking its from the 1920s or 1930s. Norman Rockwell's first Saturday Evening Post cover was in 1916, which is when his career took off.

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