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Hi guys! Need some help with dating a bottle. There is no embossing of any kind. I'm not seeing any mold seams of any kind on the base, shoulders, or neck. Shoulder symmetry is imperfect, and the neck has a subtle “lean” to one side. It has a mamelon-style kick (see third picture; this was taken from below the base so you can see all the crazy spiral shapes). The kick style is very deep, and the interior of the kick actually gets wider at the highest point where it terminates (like something in the manufacturing process made the glass thin at the endpoint). I've found no indication of a pontil scar of any kind. Can anyone help with a date range for this bottle? How would such a bottle have been manufactured? Finally, if anyone knows about 19[sup]th[/sup] century wine consumers, how long might such a bottle be aged prior to consumption (assuming average-quality vintage)? (I'm ultimately trying to date the site, not just the bottle.) I don't want to taint your feedback with the context of the find, since our goal is to date the site, but I'm happy to reveal it afterwards. Thanks in advance for any info you can provide!
 

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sunrunner

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hi.i believe you win to be french ,1870 to 1890s . they were put out in mass amounts so unless you are really in to win bottles i would say little collecting appeal.
 

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Hello, I think your bottle is an older hand blown bottle - worthynof keeping. I have co;;ected glass and studied the early bottle making for over 20 years. I am migrating back to Flortda in a couple weeks. It might be worth the postage to send it to me later for examination. %re pictures aren't very good. RED Matthews
 

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Maybe as early as 1860, but most likely 1880-90, could be American, French, Belgium, Germany, Italy. we dug them by the hundreds here in the west back in the 60s -80s. Blown into a mold and spun as there appear to be no mold seams. Aging could be anywhere from two weeks to a few years, depending upon the quality of the vintner, cant tell that by the bottle.......Andy
 

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RED, I'm actually in Sarasota too. Would be happy to meet up to have you take a look at the bottle. Andy, aren't spin-molded bottles usually perfectly symmetric? Also, there do not appear to be any concentric lines on any part of the bottle.
 

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Not always, and I cant really tell from the pics if it is really spun mold, just a lot of them were in this time frame, so I assumed it may have been........Andy
 

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I think sunrunner has it about right -- 1870s - 1880s. It's French, and similar Bordeaux bottles were exported in prodigious numbers.

It would be unusual if your bottle were not a turn-mold example -- the French mastered the technique early. Maybe the mold overheated during production causing the nascent bottle to slump slightly on removal.

The wine in your bottle was probably nothing to brag about, but such wine was much in demand in early Florida when good water was often toted a fair distance, and bad water could be deadly. Any wine was a luxury. Such bottles are not rare in Florida rivers. The better wine was probably contained in seal bottles, the seals identifying the originating chateaux. The two bottles on the right were recovered in Florida.
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I have found a few of those in the Florida rivers too, is that where you found yours thewumpus99?
 

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