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1. It would be interesting to know what the Makers Mark is on the amber 7up bottle with The Howdy Company paper label.

2. I've seen those 7up bottles with the underline and thought the same thing about a possible connection to my Tyler Brothers bottle, but I haven't been able to make total sense of it yet.

3. Because I/we are entering uncharted waters with your 29S6 bottle and the distinct possibility that its a 1929 bottle with what should be a circa 1935-36 7up ACL label, I would like to go on record and say that my continuation into this is based entirely on Bill Lockhart's findings in that he claims the following, which I scanned from his article about the American Bottling Company that I posted a link to earlier. If Bill Lockhart is correct about the American Bottle Company marks 16S through 29S, and your bottle has the same or similar marks, then those so called uncharted waters might now be on an entirely new course that has never been entered before.

Furthermore, if the 29S6 mark does stand for 1929, and we question what an apparent 1935-36 ACL label is doing on a 1929 bottle, then I feel we need to question just about every ACL ever produced and ask if those Makers Marks and date codes are accurate as well. As far as the "repurposing" of old bottles with new ACL labels goes, I feel that is an open topic that needs some additional research as well. Especially if we're talking about a possible repurposed bottle like the one in question with a possible six or seven year gap between 1929 and 1935-36.

Printed/Scanned/Saved from Bill Lockhart's article ...

1 of 4

American Bottle Co Marks Bill Lockhart 1 of 4.jpg

2 of 4 ~ Bill doesn't show a picture of a 29S6 mark, but he does show this 16S-2 mark

American Bottle Co Marks Bill Lockhart 2 of 4.jpg

And here's the amber 7up ACL bottle 29S6 mark for comparison

7up Bottle Amber San Diego 29S6 Jb Forum July 2016.jpg

3 of 4 ~ Which is a continuation of 1 of 4

American Bottle Co Marks Bill Lockhart 3 of 4.jpg

4 of 4

Notice the part where Bill Lockhart says ...

"These marks are found almost exclusively on Select-style soda bottles in emerald green and amber colors."

Also notice where he says ...

"Use of the mark extended into the first year of production (1930) of the new Owens-Illinois Glass Co."

He doesn't even hint at the possibility that the mark continued to be used as late as 1935-36



American Bottle Co Marks Bill Lockhart 4 of 4.jpg
 
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In other words ...

1. At the moment I'm comfortable with the possibility that 29S6 stands for 1929.

2. At the moment I'm confused why a possible 1935-36 ACL label is on a 1929 bottle.
 

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I rotated and enhanced Jb's images so we can take another look at this mysterious 1929/1935 bottle and see if there is something about it that jumps out at us and says "boo" ...

7up Amber Forum Jb July 2016 Front (2).jpg

7up Amber Forum Jb July 2016 Front.jpg

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In Search of / Question

Does anyone have a so called "repurposed" ACL bottle they are 100% certain about, and who can provide us with information as to how you are certain it was repurposed? This question especially applies to ACL bottles with a five+ year gap between when the bottle was made and when the ACL was applied.

Note: I looked around but haven't been able to find one, yet!
 

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Just for the record ...

This the earliest ACL soda bottle currently known and that has been confirmed. It was found several years ago by member Morbious_fod and most of the images are courtesy of him ...

Jumbo ~ A Super Cola ~ 1934

Bottle Patent

Jumbo Bottle Patent 92098 1934 (2).jpg

Bottle Front

Jumbo acl - earliest confirmed painted label soda bottle.jpg

Bottle Base

Jumbo Cola Base - 1934.jpg

Advertisement ~ Notice the coupon in the lower right corner and the expiration date of Oct 1, 1934

Jumbo Cola Ad September 21, 1934 (2).jpg

Jumbo Cola Ad September 21, 1934.jpg

And this newspaper article I found from ...

The Kingsport Times News - Kingsport, Tennessee - September 20, 1934

Jumbo Cola Kingsport Times News Tennessee Sept 20, 1934 Article (375x1100) (2).jpg

Jumbo Cola Kingsport Times News Tennessee Sept 20, 1934 Date (1100x76).jpg

Jumbo Cola Kingsport Times News Tennessee Sept 20, 1934 (1100x314).jpg

Cropped lower portion of the 1934 newspaper article

Jumbo Cola Kingsport Times News Tennessee Sept 20, 1934 Article (375x1100).jpg
 

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Soooooo...

Is Jbeas31's bottle a contender for the earliest ACL or is it just a boo-boo bottle?

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Notice in this thread I started in 2011 where member Celerycola said in Post #9 ...

"Streator IL plant of Illinois Glass was still using the old mark in 1930. I have bottles marked with 29S and 30S"

https://www.antique-bottles.net/showthread.php?396393-WEEKEND-WONDERS

It would be nice if celerycola was aware of this new discussion and shared some images with us of his 29S and 30S bottles.

By the way, I believe Celerycola's 1930 reference for "Illinois Glass" is a typo and he actually meant "Owens-Illinois Glass." I say this because Illinois Glass and Owens Glass merged in 1929 to become Owens-Illinois Glass. Illinois Glass was no longer in existence in 1930.

Here's a Bill Lockhart article about it ...

https://sha.org/resources/newsletter-articles/owens-illinois-glass-company/
 
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Here's a fully embossed Pepsi Cola bottle that Reggie Lynch says is embossed on the heel with 29S and that its a circa 1929 bottle. I'm searching now to see if I can find another one like it that actually shows the 29S

By the way, I quit searching for 30S bottles because my dumb computer thinks I'm looking for 30's bottles!

http://www.antiquebottles.com/rl/pepsi/

29S Pepsi Cola Bottle 1929.jpg
 

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Bob, here is another Pepsi with the '29S' clearly on it. This one is from Durham NC. From the Ayers vol 2 book. I am searching for more.

pepsi 29s.jpgpepsi 29s closeup.jpg
 

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Speaking of 29S Pepsi Cola (Pinch/Peanut) bottles and member Morbious_fod, this bottle is from Morb's website and shows the 29S mark. Now that I know where to look for the mark, I can just barely see it on the Reggie Lynch bottle I posted. Its on the right just above the heel. But who made these Pepsi Cola bottles and when, I'm not exactly sure just yet.

http://www.tazewell-orange.com/marionbott.html

29S Pepsi Cola Bottle Morbious_fod website (2).jpg

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