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    Old bottles of rum 1789

    Hello everybody,

    Do you have any information about these rum bottles? Do you think you the dates on the label are right?

    I'm not specialist of antique bottles and it's the first time i saw these kind of bottles. They look amazing to me.


    Thank you in advance to all

    Regards

    David
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    The bottles are 1840's-1860's era...maybe slightly earlier but definitely not 1789 era. However, the rum could be that old and just rebottled.

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    Thanks for your answer. Are you sure? Because the harewood rum from 1780 are the same form of bottle and the harewoodare well of 1780.


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    They look late 1700s to very early 1800s to me as narrow as those collars are. Dip molds had pretty much given way to 3-molds by 1840. Just my opinion. Great looking bottles.

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    So, it is possible that it is bottles before 1800 or not? The neck of the bottles is not the same on the 3, according to you, which one is the oldest?

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    I've dug these dip mold bottles in the style of the middle bottle in Galveston, Texas in late 1840's privies. The other two lips look like they could possibly be a bit earlier, but I would be surprised if they date to 1789.

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    The bottle construction is reasonable for the 1789 date. The three I've illustrated below are squat cylinders, but tall cylinders (such as the bottles in question) were contemporary. The important feature here is the lip finish.
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    Thanks Harry, so Harry for you it's possible that the 3 bottles are from 1789? Apparently they were found in an old English house. I do not master the finish of the lips of the old bottles is why I ask your opinion I try to analyze the lips of the 3 bottles with your drawings but it is not easy. According to you, it is rather 1740-1800 than 1800-1820?

    Many thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by david1977 View Post
    Thanks Harry, so Harry for you it's possible that the 3 bottles are from 1789? Apparently they were found in an old English house. I do not master the finish of the lips of the old bottles is why I ask your opinion I try to analyze the lips of the 3 bottles with your drawings but it is not easy. According to you, it is rather 1740-1800 than 1800-1820?

    The bottle construction is reasonable for the 1789 date. The three I've illustrated below are squat cylinders, but tall cylinders (such as the bottles in question) were contemporary. The important feature here is the lip finish.
    Bottles of the late 1700s are finished by applying to the neck a separate string of glass, flat with bottom edge more prominent (commonly, but not exclusively). The bottle is then sheared from the blowpipe, and the top of the new bottle is mushroomed down to the applied string.

    The 3-piece mold machine was patented in 1811, and widely adopted by the 1820s. Here's what an 1820s bottle looks like:


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    Many thanks Harry. Everything you write is interesting. So Harry your conclusion is that the 3 bottles are probably from 1789? Sorry if I make you repeat but I'm Belgian and I can not speak English

    Best regards Harry



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