A 5 Dollar Deal !

[goodman1966]

Found these at a flea market. Could not pass them up for five bucks. A back bar bottle, ground for a stopper, has seams, painted ducks pretty faded. My daughter is going the repaint them. Them a turn mold whiskey, polished pontil ? Last a coffin SCA. No damage on any except for the painted bottle. Opinions welcome. What kind of paint should she use ? Enamel ? Thanks for looking ! Mitch
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[goodman1966]

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[cowseatmaize]

I don't think turn molds were ever pontilled. Are you sure it's not a TPM with faded seams? Even then it shouldn't be pontil but it could just look like one.

 

[goodman1966]

I can't see any seams, that doesn't mean they aren't there though. Forgive my ignorance, remind me what TPM means. Thanks, Mitch

 

[sunrunner]

my two cents is for the bar bottle , I'd take the birds off they were most likely panted on by some one later on. but if you like it by all mines repaint it and yes use high gloss enamel.

 

[RED Matthews]

Well my two cents are that #1 - TPM - Means a Three part Mold. Where the shoulders were made in two parts and the bottom portion was made in what we also call a dip mold. When this is done the bottom part of the mold can not get the cavity iron chilled by pouring the hot metal against it - so that bottom part of the bottle will have Cold Mold Ripple in the glass, because the mold metal took too much heat out of the glass and caused multiple thi9cknes in the bottles glass in that part of the bottle. This glass condition used to be called whittle, which you can't do to iron. When this is done, they would sometimes turn the mold to remove the shoulder seams; but that can not (or at least shouldn't turn the bottle if the bottom was embossed. I have one bottle they turned and the lettering is all messed up.If you can measure the bar bottles finish inside diameter, some one might have a stopper for your bottle. I have a box of stoppers - I can check over. RED Matthews

 

[Robby Raccoon]

I think the birds should be kept-- old character that makes it look really neat adds invaluably to it in the mind of art-collectors of folk-art, bottle collectors with a passion for paint, decorators, etc. But I have a few questions: Why are bar-back bottles and flasks so popular, even when not embossed? Both flasks are clean now, and both are blobs-- one feels to be applied-top. The other I cannot put a finger in to feel. One has a thing of glass that slipped out of the mold to be sharp at the heel. The clear bar-back is damaged on the ring which forms the lip. The greenish one is an applied-top, if I recall, and has the ''lady's leg'' neck, as I've read it to be called. Help on ages? I'm not really interested in throwing them up into their own thread, so since this thread already has bar-backs and a flask in it, I hope it won't be minded that I put these in here.

 

[goodman1966]

For me the flask are interesting because there are so many different molds and forms, and they are relatively inexpensive. Easy to collect ! The flask you have are called coffin or shoofly. I would put them TOC +/- ten years. On the bar bar-back, does it have any mold lines ? The whiskey, any mold lines ? If it's an applied top I would date it 1880 to 1900. Look carefully it may be a three piece mold.
Back to the flask, I do not have those particular molds and would like to have both. Are you open for a trade for the Muskegon bottle in my other thread ? Hope I've helped some ! Mitch

 

[Robby Raccoon]

Shoofly? Odd name. Aren't they both bar-backs...?
The greenish one has the seam become the smallest of lines at the start of the neck. Much thinner and hard to see, or even be sure it's the seam... It is an applied top. I think they call it a double-collar? The clear one tapers and has a tooled ring on the top. Seams approach top but are tooled away. I'm afraid I'm not interested in letting these two go right now, for they're my first flasks. The one with the glass that slipped out of the mold is damaged, anyway-- 1-inch chip out of mouth/neck. Then the other has a bruise in the lip. They both also are somewhat stained, and they're of course missing paper labels. Not sure they're worth much.. I'll show pics of their details on another day... Some interesting features, I think. I also recant my statement that one of the flasks felt to be an applied top. More inspection tells me it was just the inside tricking my sense of feel. You've been very helpful, as I had hoped, so thank you very much. []Also, when I run out of room/upgrade, I'll see if you still want them. I've nearly run out of room as it is. [8D] But, hey: Free's free's awesome to me. []

 

[cowseatmaize]

Molds got complicated but collectors tend to just say two, three, four etc.. Many people don't include the base plate as a possible additional part. Therefor a two part could well be three. .A seam going across the base in a straight line could be a bottom or side hinge but that would be a two part mold. It may be keyed also but still two part..Turn molded are no exception, but it could be a dip cup or separate base plate, it's hard to be certain after it's spun.You need to examine post molds, key molds and all the others and determine whether that is an additional part and if you want to include it.Are you with me? []As for the whiskey, it could be turn mold and it just stuck a little at the bottom but I don't think it's a pontil.