"A lot of bottle collectors have gone underground"

[Humabdos]

Very well said Citydigger!
Archaeological sites: What the Oregon law says:

A person may not knowingly and intentionally excavate, injure, destroy or alter an archaeological site or object on public or private lands without first obtaining an archaeological permit, according to a series of state laws. The one pertaining to private lands is Oregon Administrative Rule 736-051-0090. On private or public non-federal lands, an official archaeological site is defined when it has 10 or more artifacts that are 75 years or older located in a concentrated geographic area, said Susan Lynn White, Oregon assistant state archaeologist. Violation of these laws is a Class B misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail, White said.
“Removal of human remains is a Class C Felony,†she adds. “The state police can be contacted and the site shut down.â€
Oregon law also prohibits a person from selling, purchasing, trading, bartering or exchanging an artifact that has been removed from an archaeological site on public, non-federal land or obtained from private land without the written permission of the landowner, White said.

For more information, contact White at 503-986-0675 or e-mail Susan.White@state.or.us.
Reach reporter Sanne Specht at 541-776-4497 or e-mail sspecht@mailtribune.com.Please call and E-mail Susan and let her know what you think about this.

 

[citydigger]

they say it is illegal. they complain about the items we excavate from OLD TRASH DUMPS and say when the items are taken from the ground they loose their context (meaning). Obviously they had no meaning or they would not have been thrown into a DUMP! What context? It was all trash that people threw away? This is just the government flexing its SOCIALIST muscle. Nothing more. Makes me SICK![:'(]

 

[citydigger]

ORIGINAL: tigue710

Getting a lot grief for going on that show I see... I dont know one way or an other if it was more good or more bad for the hobby but you wouldn't of caught me dead on that show!

Me niether, your just asking for the WRONG kind of attention when you do stuff like that. All the best diggers I know keep a low profile [:-]

 

[GuntherHess]

Keep in mind we are talking about Oregon here, which has about as much in common with other USA states as Sweden or Lichtenstein[][]
I expect they enacted the laws to protect American Aboriginal sites, which needs to be done , but they did it in a typically wishy-washy Oregonese government way. Hey , they may not of even realized there were European Americans in Oregon earlier than 75 years ago [][][]
You cant take that law toooooo seriously, apparently they dont.

Anyone that goes on national tv and divulges ANYTHING they do privately is just asking for trouble, isnt that fairly obvious?

 

[bearswede]

This is just the government flexing its SOCIALIST muscle. Nothing more.

Is this a joke? Must be...

 

[bearswede]

Obviously they had no meaning or they would not have been thrown into a DUMP! What context? It was all trash that people threw away?

Most of the material culture that archeology deals with is "trash that people threw away"... Shell middens, tells, refuse pits, hearths... It's all the nitty gritty of archeolgy, for God's sake!

 

[citydigger]

ORIGINAL: GuntherHess

Keep in mind we are talking about Oregon here, which has about as much in common with other USA states as Sweden or Lichtenstein[][]
I expect they enacted the laws to protect American Aboriginal sites, which needs to be done , but they did it in a typically wishy-washy Oregonese government way. Hey , they may not of even realized there were European Americans in Oregon earlier than 75 years ago [][][]
You cant take that law toooooo seriously, apparently they dont.

Anyone that goes on national tv and divulges ANYTHING they do privately is just asking for trouble, isnt that fairly obvious?

I will have to agree with you GuntherHess, especially about the going on TV part. We cannot go on TV and brag about what we do. It just gives these government SOCIALIST nuts the ammunition they need to make a stink. We need to understand, most of these government funded archaes have nothing better to do. Most of them just sit around thinking of ways to sound more intellegent. It takes them 10 years to do what us treasure hunters to in one day. I think the point is:
IF YOU BLATANTLY CALL ATTENTION TO YOURSELF, THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
It is one thing to get caught by the cops while out digging for bottles/artifacts. Most of them, at the worst, will kick you out, thats it. But when you go on PUBLIC TV and announce what you are doing, your fate is inevitable.

 

[citydigger]

ORIGINAL: bearswede

Obviously they had no meaning or they would not have been thrown into a DUMP! What context? It was all trash that people threw away?

Most of the material culture that archeology deals with is "trash that people threw away"... Shell middens, tells, refuse pits, hearths... It's all the nitty gritty of archeolgy, for God's sake!

You are correct. but when the trash is taken to a massive dumpsite and tossed in, there cannot be any context associated with it since it was taken from it's place of origin and brought to a separate site in which it was disposed of. The best archaeologists try and focus on a site with historical relevance where the items found can be linked to that specific site. An example of what I am saying would be an old cellar hole. The cellar hole can be linked to who lived in that place. If the person who lived in that house took their trash to a town dump outside their residence, there is no context. Is there?

 

[tigue710]

I think there is still context in the dump site, just not relating to who used it. Sometimes the patterns of society in general as read through the trash they threw away gives a better picture of the way people lived at the time then the objects used by an individual, which only relate to that persons habits and health.

The arcy's want every little bit of information they can, in context to what ever! Mostly they just like digging stuff up and get jealous that we go do it when it cost them 150,000 to get a degree to do it and they dont get to keep anything!

Bwaaaahahah... sniffle sniffle, get a shovel and dig in your own yard mr archaeologist!

 

[capsoda]

I believe that a large portion, at least of the many that I have met, of the arcky types have no problem with the average poop hole dump type bottle digger. Most of us will never even see them BUT there will always be one or two overzellous obnoxious pains in the butt. These are the ones we will have all the fun with. The ones who call us thieves and destroyers of history. They are generally insignificant little ladder climing worms just like the ones that we all have met in every organization we will ever be in or come in contact with. They want their 15 minutes of fame and don't care who they step on to get it. you just have to beware of them. I have dug bottles with some friends who were archy types and I know the differance in what is significant and what is just another dump but I try not to call to much attention to my self even though the laws down here alow diggers freedom to dig for the most part.

I have several friends who are archy types who dig and collect bottles including Ron (Bearswede) but I don't go on TV telling people I dig with them and I can make a pile of cash by digging in what ever state I may be in. That is the kind of bad idea that will make us look like tomb robbers. We have all tryed to convey to others our passion for digging and collecting bottles but you have to admit that most just don't get it.[8|]