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The homeowners seem very nice. Why not give them first dibbs in some form. Choice of first bot perhaps. Maybe the first three., the first (_?_.) Maybe they want a representative donation of local bottles to the county historical society in their name (tx ded.) Your dig could be on going for more than one season. Best to keep it friendly.
 

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Catie,

The homeowners seem very nice. Why not give them first dibbs in some form. Choice of first bot perhaps. Maybe the first three., the first (_?_.) Maybe they want a representative donation of local bottles to the county historical society in their name (tx ded.) Your dig could be on going for more than one season. Best to keep it friendly.
Possibly even open up other doors, neighbors, relatives, friends. Roy
 

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Thanks for the very detailed comment with all of that helpful advice. It's a pastoral setting where there is still a lot of undeveloped land surrounding their property. The spot she showed me is at one corner of the backyard and the ground is covered in old thick vines that she said her husband would clear. My plan is to start at this spot, get some of the easier, newer, bottles up and see how the arrangement is working out for both parties (me and the home owners). If we're all still getting on well then we could start hunting around for older spots. What is the etiquette for keeping bottles in this situation? Have you ever been on a permission dig where the property owner said they wanted to dig and participate? They said I could keep what I wanted, but I just hope it doesn't get awkward. Also, what is the etiquette for disposing of broken glass? Leave it in the ground, or offer to dispose of it for them?

Finally, thank you for the YouTube channel tips! I've been learning a lot from bottle digging videos but most of them don't get into the process of getting there, so I can't wait to check out that new channel.
New to this forum but understood your question to more about the legal aspect? In the past I would use a written paragraph that said "I ______ have permission from 'owners name" to be on property at 'address' for 'add reason". Agree not to hold owners responsible for any issues or accidents. Owners agree to let me take, remove, & keep ________" Would let then fill in their names and spaces at the bottom for both parties to sign. And used a message pad that had carbon paper so two copies. Used this even for picking up salvage, exploring, etc. Maybe someone else has their own ideas.
 

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Just don’t scare ‘em off. :)
Good stuff!

Stand back and carefully look over the site and see what your eyes can imagine…. Dips/ pipes/ brick pile, indentions , anything unusual.
Pretty much what Willong said.

Good luck!!
 

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Thanks for the very detailed comment with all of that helpful advice. It's a pastoral setting where there is still a lot of undeveloped land surrounding their property. The spot she showed me is at one corner of the backyard and the ground is covered in old thick vines that she said her husband would clear. My plan is to start at this spot, get some of the easier, newer, bottles up and see how the arrangement is working out for both parties (me and the home owners). If we're all still getting on well then we could start hunting around for older spots. What is the etiquette for keeping bottles in this situation? Have you ever been on a permission dig where the property owner said they wanted to dig and participate? They said I could keep what I wanted, but I just hope it doesn't get awkward. Also, what is the etiquette for disposing of broken glass? Leave it in the ground, or offer to dispose of it for them?

Finally, thank you for the YouTube channel tips! I've been learning a lot from bottle digging videos but most of them don't get into the process of getting there, so I can't wait to check out that new channel.
I'll try to make a fuller reply to your new questions within a couple days; need to get on some other tasks now.

For the time being, were it me, I would offer an alternating selection of bottles found split between you and the owner. Who gets first selection could be decided by a coin toss if neither side wants to give away that advantage. While not a likely occurrence, there is always a chance that an especially valuable bottle could be recovered from such an old property. You might want a provision in any agreement that bottles recovered over a certain appraised value be marketed (via auction most commonly) and the net proceeds split between the parties.

With you being new to the entire process, you have to understand that the property owners really hold all the strong cards. I would not push any point too hard if anxious for the exploration and digging experience, but those are a couple considerations worth contemplating.
 
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I met the owners of a historic home in town and they told me about the bottle dump they found on the property. They're curious about bottles they've found there and gave me permission to come back and dig at the bottle dump site. I checked it out and found a '33 amber food bottle and then they sent me this picture of a bottle the husband found lying in the woods on a different day. Any idea what this bottle is? Also, any tips for doing my first permission dig? The owners are curious and sound like they want to participate. Thanks in advance!
Also if you can get into the house go to attic and look down between walls. I have found many bottles this way. Best of luck.
 

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New to this forum but understood your question to more about the legal aspect? In the past I would use a written paragraph that said "I ______ have permission from 'owners name" to be on property at 'address' for 'add reason". Agree not to hold owners responsible for any issues or accidents. Owners agree to let me take, remove, & keep ________" Would let then fill in their names and spaces at the bottom for both parties to sign. And used a message pad that had carbon paper so two copies. Used this even for picking up salvage, exploring, etc. Maybe someone else has their own ideas.
You've got to be kidding!
Shakespeare was right about lawyers... even the amateurs.
 
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Thanks for the very informative suggestions willing.
Truly to be successful we must understand the context of the area.
I try to follow a more systematic approach approach, and old maps are my bread and butter.
I'm not super experienced but have found that people haven't changed much over the years.
Throw it in a ravine, shoreline, or sinkhole and it will go away.
I've found the too of the ravine to harbor the older stuff, subsequent layers landed on top and slid down.
Does this make sense?
 
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Also if you can get into the house go to attic and look down between walls. I have found many bottles this way. Best of luck.
Good point!
The same goes for any crawl space under the floor as well if the house does not sit on a full basement. I have found bottles that way. I have some aqua, three-piece-mold whisky bottles recovered that way. Even though they were slicks, I can tell you that they originally contained "Teacher's Highland Cream" blended Scotch Whisky. Despite having been found on the Olympic Peninsula, one of the wettest corners of the USA, their long slumber under floorboards kept them dry enough that the paper labels were still substantially intact.
 
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