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Lets see if this works... it may explode the forum. Here is my data in raw form.... I've never seen and number/letter combos on the base.

The "UNKNOWN" mfr mark relates to the Japanese bottle manufacturers on the later bottles Ive found. All are hobbleskirts. TRADE MARK (SMALL) is the smaller lettering on the Owens-Illinois bottles. TRADE MARK (LARGE) refers to the larger lettering on the Chattanooga bottles. The size difference is distinctive. for my writeup, I will include photos of all examples.



TYPE COLOR LEFT MFR MARK RIGHT BASE EMBOSSING
PAT D-105529 Green 32(?) Owens-Illinois 44 OAKLAND CALIF (with raised dot)
PAT D-105529 Green 52 UNKNOWN 52 None
PAT D-105529 Green 3 Owens-Illinois 48 SAN FRANCISCO CALIF (with raised dot)
PAT D-105529 Green 9D Owens-Illinois 44 OAKLAND CALIF (with raised dot)
PAT D-105529 Green 50 Owens-Illinois 44 PORTLAND ORE (with raised dot)
PAT D-105529 Green 11 Owens-Illinois 45 SEATTLE WASH (with "S" mark)
PAT D-105529 Green 13 Owens-Illinois 45 SAN FRANCISCO CALIF (with "S" mark)
PAT D-105529 Clear 5L Owens-Illinois 44 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 12C Owens-Illinois 44 Single raised dot
PAT D-105529 Clear 8P Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 8R Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Green 32 Owens-Illinois 44 OAKLAND CALIF (with raised dot)
PAT D-105529 Green 5K Owens-Illinois 44 OAKLAND CALIF (with raised dot)
PAT D-105529 Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 44 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 6 UNKNOWN 54 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 15 Owens-Illinois 45 "A"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 5 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 17 Owens-Illinois 45 "17 B"
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 84 UNKNOWN 52 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 "7 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear ? Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 14 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 20 Owens-Illinois 45 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 14(?) Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear ? Owens-Illinois 44 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 15 Owens-Illinois 45 "15 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 1 Owens-Illinois 44 "H"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 11 Owens-Illinois 45 "C"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 10 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 2N Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 17 Owens-Illinois 45 "17 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 18 Owens-Illinois 45 "18 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 9 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 10 Chattanooga 44 None
TRADE MARK REGISTERED IN US PATENT OFFICE Green 55 UNKNOWN 52 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear ?? ?? ?? "7 B"
PAT D-105529 Clear 6 Owens-Illinois 44 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 17 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 25 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 5 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 10 Owens-Illinois 45 "C"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 4 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
Owens-Illinois 44 SEATTLE WASH
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 18 Owens-Illinois 45 "18 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 17 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 17 Owens-Illinois 45 "17 B"
PAT D-105529 Clear 5 Owens-Illinois 44 "P"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 10 Owens-Illinois 45 "10 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 1? Owens-Illinois 45 "1? B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 5 Owens-Illinois 45 "F"
PAT D-105529 Green 14 Owens-Illinois 45 SEATTLE WASH
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 18 Owens-Illinois 45 "H"
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 47 UNKNOWN 50 None
19 43
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 52 UNKNOWN 52 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear ? Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 4 Owens-Illinois 45 "C"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 13 Owens-Illinois 45 "13 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 16 Owens-Illinois 45 "16 B"
PAT D-105529 Clear 9 Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear ? Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 28 Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 7P Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 6 Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 8P Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear ? Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 4P Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 8P Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 6 Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 9B Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 7P Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Green 18 Owens-Illinois 46 SAN FRANCISCO CALIF "S"
PAT D-105529 Clear 8 Owens-Illinois 5
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 18 Owens-Illinois 45 "18 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 2M Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
PAT D-105529 Clear 15 Owens-Illinois 44 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 15 Owens-Illinois 45 "15 B"
PAT D-105529 Clear 8A Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Green 18 Owens-Illinois 45 SEATTLE WASH "S"
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 12 L 54 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Green 40 UNKNOWN 50 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 10 L 54 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 16 L 54 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 9 N 54 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Green 22 UNKNOWN 52 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Green 8 n 54 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Green 67 UNKNOWN 50 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 6 N 54 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 11 L 54 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 43 UNKNOWN 52 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 12 L 54 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 11 N 54 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 11 N 54 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Green 34 UNKNOWN 52 None
PAT D-105529 Green 3 Owens-Illinois 48 SAN FRANCISCO CALIF
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 18 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear ? Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 27 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 6 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 6 Owens-Illinois 45 "G"
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 9 UNKNOWN 52 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 71 UNKNOWN 51 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 70 UNKNOWN 51 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 51 UNKNOWN 51 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 6 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 9 Owens-Illinois 45 "A"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 4 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 21 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 11 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 15 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 9 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 "7 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 3 Owens-Illinois 45 "H"
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 21 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 3 Chattanooga 44 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 49 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 14 Owens-Illinois 45 "14 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 49 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 21 Chattanooga 45 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 6B Owens-Illinois 44 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 6 Owens-Illinois 45 "6 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 6 Owens-Illinois 45 "6 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 1 Owens-Illinois 45 "1 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 6 Owens-Illinois 45 "6 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 13 Owens-Illinois 45 "13 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 10 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 17 Owens-Illinois 45 "17 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 "G"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 3 Owens-Illinois 45 "3 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 9 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 3 Owens-Illinois 45 "3 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 9 Owens-Illinois 45 "9 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 1 Owens-Illinois 45 "1 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 10 Owens-Illinois 45 "10 B"
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 19 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 11 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 10 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 18 Owens-Illinois 45 "18 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 8 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Green 65 UNKNOWN 50 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 3 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 18 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
PAT D-105529 Clear 12 Owens-Illinois 44 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 4 Owens-Illinois 45 "C"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 16 Owens-Illinois 45 "16 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 10 Owens-Illinois 45 "C"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 10 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 4 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 11 Owens-Illinois 45 "11 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 2 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 6R Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
PAT D-105529 Clear 13 Owens-Illinois 45 "A"
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 18 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 14 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 12 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 17 Owens-Illinois 45 "17 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 "G"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 3 Owens-Illinois 45 "3 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 8 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 3 Owens-Illinois 45 "A"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 12 Owens-Illinois 45 "12 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 5Q Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 4R Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear "2." Owens-Illinois 44 "8" above "2."
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 15 Owens-Illinois 45 "15 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear "7." Owens-Illinois 45 "7. B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 2 Owens-Illinois 45 "2 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 10 Owens-Illinois 45 "10 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear "7." Owens-Illinois 45 "7. B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 7 Owens-Illinois 45 "7 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 9 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 2 Owens-Illinois 45 "H"
PAT D-105529 Green 25 Owens-Illinois 45 OAKLAND CALIF "S"
PAT D-105529 Clear 1B Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Green 10 Owens-Illinois 45 OAKLAND CALIF
PAT D-105529 Clear 1 Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 6B Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Green "3." Owens-Illinois 45 OAKLAND CALIF
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 6 Chattanooga 41 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 7C Owens-Illinois 44 Single raised dot
PAT D-105529 Clear 3G Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 6L Owens-Illinois 44 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear "7." Chattanooga 44 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 8L Owens-Illinois 44 Single raised dot
PAT D-105529 Green 28 Owens-Illinois 44 OAKLAND CALIF
PAT D-105529 Clear 8P Owens-Illinois 44 None
PAT D-105529 Green 12 Owens-Illinois 45 OAKLAND CALIF
PAT D-105529 Clear 6P Owens-Illinois 44 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 10 Owens-Illinois 45 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 33 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 3 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 37 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 26 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 42 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 22 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 25 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 5 Owens-Illinois 45 "G"
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 31 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 5 Owens-Illinois 45 "G"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 5 Owens-Illinois 45 Single raised dot
PAT D-105529 Green 29? Owens-Illinois 45 SAN FRANCISCO CALIF
PAT D-105529 Green 5 Owens-Illinois 45 SAN FRANCISCO CALIF
TRADE-MARK (large) Clear 52 Chattanooga 45 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 17 Owens-Illinois 45 "17 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 13 Owens-Illinois 45 "13 B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear "2." Owens-Illinois 45 "2. B"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 9 Owens-Illinois 45 "9. B"
PAT D-105529 Clear 4 Owens-Illinois 45 None
PAT D-105529 Clear 2A Owens-Illinois 44 None
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 5 Owens-Illinois 45 "G"
TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 17 Owens-Illinois 45 "S"
 

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Dave ~

I'm short on time but big on THANK YOU'S!

(Great info!) << ............ >> (See Below)

Bob



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Dave ~

I randomly selected the following bottle from your list as an example, with the hope you can clairfy a couple of things about it that will also pertain to many of the other bottles ...

Sample Bottle: TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 13 Owens-Illinois 45 "13 B"

I am assuming part of the embossing you refer to looks something like this ... 13 <(I)> 45

1. In your opening paragraph you said ...

"I've never seen any number/letter combos on the base."

2. And yet your columns are titled ... (which I edited slightly and also added the marks from the random bottle above)

TYPE ~ COLOR ~ LEFT MARK = 13 ~ MFR MARK = <(I)> ~ RIGHT MARK = 45 ~ BASE EMBOSSING = 13B

Thus, I'm a little confused.

3. Where exactly is the 13B located on this sample bottle? On the base or on the side?

4. Or am I totally misinterpreting your data?

Thanks a lot.

Bob
 

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PS ~

Perhaps my confusion regarding the 13B involves what I call the "Heel" and you call the "Base."

My difinitions of the two terms are as follows ...

HEEL = The bottom portion (outer rim) of a bottle but still on the side.

BASE = The flat portion of a bottle where it sits/stands/rest upon.

Bob

Here's an example of what I mean by "Heel"



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Here's another example showing both the "Heel" and the "Base" marks. (Actually, the heel is lower near the bottom of the rim but this is the best example I currently have. But hopefully you get the general idea).
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Bob,

You are correct in that it looks like 13 <(I)> 45

With regards to the 13B on the base.... the numbers and letter are well separated. Here is an example:

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On the skirt, is 18 <(I)> 45 in this case. This trait is only with some Owens-Illinois clear bottles from 1945 with the small "TRADE MARK" embossing.


ORIGINAL: SODAPOPBOB

Dave ~

I randomly selected the following bottle from your list as an example, with the hope you can clairfy a couple of things about it that will also pertain to many of the other bottles ...

Sample Bottle: TRADE-MARK (small) Clear 13 Owens-Illinois 45 "13 B"

I am assuming part of the embossing you refer to looks something like this ... 13 <(I)> 45

1. In your opening paragraph you said ...

"I've never seen any number/letter combos on the base."

2. And yet your columns are titled ... (which I edited slightly and also added the marks from the random bottle above)

TYPE ~ COLOR ~ LEFT MARK = 13 ~ MFR MARK = <(I)> ~ RIGHT MARK = 45 ~ BASE EMBOSSING = 13B

Thus, I'm a little confused.

3. Where exactly is the 13B located on this sample bottle? On the base or on the side?

4. Or am I totally misinterpreting your data?

Thanks a lot.

Bob
 

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Also, none of the coke bottles I have found have anything embossed on the heel. Only on the base.

Heading back out in the jungle today to hopefully hike about 1/2 mile of an old road that was abandoned just after WW2. Hoping for some more coke bottle success. The southern terminus of this abandoned road has bomb craters, Japanese and American bottles, shell casings (ammunition), canteens, ETC.
 

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Couple more photos:

The single raised dot I reference:

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The difference between "TRADE MARK" (small) on the Owens-Illinois bottles and "TRADE MARK" (Large) on the Chattanooga glass company bottles:

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The bottle on the left: 2N <(I)> 45 (no base embossing), the one on the right 19 @ 45 (where the @ is a C in a circle) (no base embossing). Letter size is definite in every case depending on the manufacturer. I can spot a Chattanooga glass bottle in a pile of Owens-Illinois bottles just through this trait.
 

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Dave ~

Thanks. One picture is worth a thousand words.

There seems to be a consistancy with the numbers on the sides matching those on the bases, which I continue to suspect are plant numbers. Based on everything I have read, it appears the majority (if not all) of the clear bottles were the one's used/filled at the 64 various war zone bottling plants. And even though I feel we are getting close to something, there are still some missing pieces to the puzzle here, such as, what do the dang letters stand for?

Bob

Earlier, I believe someone asked about seeing a picture of one of the bottling plants. The only one I could find is currently on ebay. But I'm not entirely sure if it's showing the washing stage or the filling stage. Notice the bottles are upside down. Nor am I sure if they are clear or green bottles. Also notice the wood crate sitting on the floor.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/181031810164?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

[ Morocco - 1943 ]






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Bob,

Thanks for the picture of the 3-part bottle mold. I thought that was what one looked like, but I just couldn't find a picture. I took another look at Bottle #16. There is not enough room between the one and the left edge of the Owens-Illinois logo to squeeze in even another 1, let alone a larger number. I don't have another bottle with a 1 on it so I can't compare 1s to see if there is a difference. The 1 on my bottle is a straight vertical line, with no little line at the top or bottom. It's parallel to the crease in the skirt "material." I see no indication of a number preceeding the 1. I even gently ran my fingernail over everthing with the thought that although I couldn't see something I might be able to feel it. Nothing there. The mold-melt on the logo is severe enough so that if I didn't have another bottle to compare I woluldn't be able to discern the Owens-Illinois logo. The "1" is definitely not a flaw in the glass. I'll try in the next day or so to see if I can take a picture of it, but I'm not sure my simple camera can take picture very close. My son just came up for Christmas, so before I tell him what I think it is I'll ask him what he thinks it is.

Bill
 

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