When I Googled Ball special they talk about ones made in the mid 1890s that had Masons pat 1858 printed on them. They mention the 1910-1913 embossed Ball special . I thought that must be this one. No mention of any other year Ball special. I forgot to check the Ball font which I know is a way to date them. Lazy and crazy...sorry to all the people I confused and probably am confusing right now.