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Cross & Co. Vancouver B.C. 1894-1963

shotdwn

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Bob, I wonder if Cross avoid a trademark infringement lawsuit by not using the actual trademark, which was the fountain, even though the label was a similar.
 

SODABOB

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shotdwn

Good question -- but the only response I have at the moment is ...

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SODABOB

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Unless I missed something, these are the two labels that sparked the Copycat / Infringement controversy. However, before saying more, I find it strange that I have been able to find examples of an actual Cross's bottle label but not an actual label for a Schweppes bottle. The Schweppes label I inserted here was taken from the sign pictured on CanadianBottle's post #125. If someone has a picture of an actual Schweppes bottle label like the one shown here, please share it with us.

The main similarities I see are ...

1. The red bar at the top
2. The [FONT=&quot]Ginger Ale script = Which appears not only similar but identical to me
3. The round, red logos / trademarks in the lower left corner
4. Misc.


(More later / Wide open for discussion)



[/FONT]Schweppes and Cross's Labels for Comparison.jpg
 

SODABOB

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P.S.

I love to find a good pic of the round, red symbol on the Schweppes label -- I can't say for certain, but I bet it depicts a fountain. ???
 

SODABOB

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I'm not sure how well this Schweppes postcard will appear, but its the ONLY example of the copycat label I have been able to find. When I zoom it in my photo file, both the main label and the neck label have a fountain in the red 'seal' -- It was described as originating from Yorkshire, England, but no date was attributed to it. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but I honestly think it is save to assume that all of these particular labels have a fountain in the red seals. Which takes us back to Shotdwn's question about avoiding a trademark infringement.

Schweppes Postcard Yorkshire England.jpg
 

CanadianBottles

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Here's a pretty clear picture of one of the Schweppes bottles. It is funny that we can't find a picture of a surviving example, but the picture there confirms that the red circle has a fountain in it.

I also found this interesting: looks like a similar label design was in use pretty recently - 1970s maybe?


And while I can't find a full-size version of the label still in existence, I did find a miniature version http://www.hilarypagetoys.com/Home/Products/87/1109#prettyphoto[pp_gal]/0/
 

SODABOB

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CB

Great find -- But does anyone know WHERE those particular labels were used? Canada -- U.S. -- England -- All three locations? And WHEN?
 

SODABOB

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This is one of those weird 'snippets' that sometimes comes up in my searches, but it confirms that Schweppes was prepared to, and occasionally did sue someone for label infringement. I haven't fully researched this particular case, and don't know when it took place, but it appears that Schweppes won. But whether Schweppes ever sued Cross's is still the $64 question.

Schweppes Sued Schlurppes.png
 

SODABOB

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And there's this newer case where Cadbury Schweppes sued Solo ...

Note: Just establishing that Schweppes was definitely in the suing 'business' -- and still looking for Schweppes vs Cross & Co. if it exist?

Schweppes Sued Solo.JPG
 

SODABOB

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I realize I'm jumping around, but thought this was extremely cool ...


London, England ~ 1898


Schweppes Fountain Trademark_The_Standard_London_England_Fri__May_27__1898.jpg


 

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