I think all those turtles with S. Manufacturing, etc, are Sanfords. I have yet to see one that was unstained, for whatever reason. Much harder to find than J and IE Moore. Jim G
Saratoga, Sanford's is what I have always suspected, though never seen one with a label to confirm. Good to know they are tougher to find as I have yet to find my first J&IEM.....Jack