EARLIEST "CROWN TOP" SODA BOTTLES 1892 - 1900

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SODAPOPBOB

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And please don't think that I overlooked the following from the description associated with the 1894 Finley bottle I posted a picture of, because I didn't overlook it ...

"Rear on heel: AGW"

â—¾A.G.W……………..in some cases, American Glass Works, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (1866-1905). This company, which was officially known as “American Glass Works, Limited†after 1880, MAY have produced some glass marked “A.G.W.†during the time period of 1866-1880, although I am not aware of any definitive proof that they did. American Glass Works reportedly manufactured mostly window glass prior to 1880. After 1880, the mark was most frequently “A.G.W.L.â€, although various bottles that date after 1880 (such as certain hutchinson sodas, and aqua coffin or “shoofly†flasks) do carry “A.G.W.â€(no L) so I tend to believe that both mark variants were used, at times, during the 1880-1905 period. (See next two entries).

◾A.G.W……………..American Glass Works, Richmond, Virginia (1908-1925) and Paden City, West Virginia (1918-c.1935). Bottles (especially crown-closure soda bottles) of the teens and 1920s from the VA and surrounding area with “A.G.W.†marked on the base are virtually certain to be products of this company (not to be confused with the earlier American Glass Works of Pittsburgh, an unrelated company). Machine-made bottles date after 1916 (Toulouse 1971:23). The Richmond plant burned in 1925 and was not rebuilt. This company also reportedly used an “A in a circle†mark on some bottles. In any case, that mark was primarily used by the Armstrong Cork Company from 1938 to 1969.

â—¾A.G.W.L……………American Glass Works, Limited, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (1880-1905). Advertisements exist which show this company produced a large line of Hutchinson type soda bottles, as well as many other bottles including beers and mineral waters. The mark “A.G.W.L.†which appears on the heel of many Hutchinson's can bedefinitely attributed to this company. Please see the above two entries on “A.G.W.â€
 

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ORIGINAL: SODAPOPBOB

T D ~

Thanks for the pic. But let's not jump to conclusions just yet about finding a bunch of 1894 Crown-top bottles. The jury is still out and I'm sure someone will remind us they are not soda bottles but beer bottles. But that's okay with me because at this point a Crown is a Crown is a Crown. And if you really want to make me run for the record books, please come up with either a 1892 or 1893 Crown bottle - beer or soda - it don't matter which.

Bob

Beers and sodas were identical during the 1890-1910 period.. except hutches, they were rarely used for beer.
 

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E, as a local collector myself, those bottles would be a dream come true, and yes, I believe that you can date bottles this way many times, but not always. You can't tell me a tiny bottler from Union Point, GA would have bottled both a hutch and a crown top in 1894. I'm just making the point you can't judge a book by its cover. I've said it in other posts, I always worry about the NEXT guy Googling "crown top" or whatever, and they get....? The research is exhaustive and I really do enjoy it and appreciate it, but like Dennis said, we need to make sure theories don't morph into fact.
I hear ya, I have this bottler with a 1900 crown and a 1905 hutch, things can sure be tough to figure out...



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..yeah tough to figure out resonates with me right now.. lol..
 

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Speaking of Murdock & Freeman bottles and whether or not they dated them, here's one currently on eBay dated 1892, which is not a Crown but a Blob ...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Murdock-Freeman-Bottle-Aqua-Portland-Maine-1892-Big-K-on-Bottom-/121120038341?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c33511dc5








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More Murdock & Freeman ~ Left to right ... 1904 ~ 1903 ~ 1902



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Let me put this issue to rest. Looking at this bottle HARTMANN & FEHRENBACH it is plainly seen the that the crudity of the bulbous applied crown top indicates a very early hand tooled process. Beneath the applied ring (crown) lip it looks like a blob top. I have an example of this bottle that is even more blobby, but being lazy did not take the time to find it in my stock pile. This company was in existence 1865-1920. So the timing is right. Also due to the relatively large number of bottles available from this brewery it was producing and bottling a lot of beer from early on. Even the blob tops are somewhat plentiful. I am guessing they were an early innovator who went to the crown top style early on. WORD!!!!!!!!!!!! [8|] [sm=thumbup1.gif]

PS: Too bad it is not a soda bottle then it would be a slam dunk on this topic!

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UB ~

Thanks for stopping by and sharing. Good points! Exactly what do you mean by "early on?" I'm not sure if you mean early on "during the first few years of distribution = 1892-94" or early on "during the infancy of the patent = which some might consider to be anytime between 1892 and 1905"

Thanks.

Bob
 

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I am suggesting the Hartmann bottle was produced in the (early) middle 1890's. William Painter the crown inventor was from Maryland so the proximity to Delaware works well too. This is all just conjecture on my part as I only have observations of the crown top bottles I own to rely on. The latter crowns are more uniform and less bulbous in their appearance.
 

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YES this is a soda but I no more believe this is an 1894 bottle than I believe the moon is made of cheese.

T D

If you are sticking to your guns and continue to believe what you said above, I will accept and honor that. But, on the other hand, if you ever change your mind, it might interest you to know that its highly possible your 1894 Oscar Fluker bottle is the earliest Crown closure soda bottle currently known and one for the record books.

If congratulations are in order, you have mine wholeheartedly.

Bob
 

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