early 19th century cologne or medicine? anyone ever seen these etchings on a bottle?

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Found this Sunday close to Wilmington NC. It's open pontil and mold so it's was made by mouth blown glass into a mold. Never seen anything like the dice patterns on front three panels has anyone else? The bottle is 4 3/4 inch tall and 2 inches wide. Front panel has QT at bottom and back panel has 293 on bottom. Any ideas anyone? Found in a hole with horse shoes, bridal bit, two heart locks and large brass skeleton key. I was metal detecting a very old house site. Any ideas anyone?
 

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Hard to tell, but it looks like the mold may have been repaired and/or embossing peened out.
 

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Molds got used enough and parts of same wore out and were replaced or repaired sometimes. You'll see what look like keyhole marks on some bottles and that was a form of repair. We used to have a retired Corning worker on here who could explain it all well. All embossing was sometimes "peened out" of a mold. Say the manufacturer went out of business but someone else wanted that form bottle. They'd use a tool to remove the embossing, or maybe a manufacturer changed addresses. They could peen out the old address. basically hammer or file it out of the mold.

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What exactly do u mean by mold may have been repaired?
 

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Molds got used enough and parts of same wore out and were replaced or repaired sometimes. You'll see what look like keyhole marks on some bottles and that was a form of repair. We used to have a retired Corning worker on here who could explain it all well. All embossing was sometimes "peened out" of a mold. Say the manufacturer went out of business but someone else wanted that form bottle. They'd use a tool to remove the embossing, or maybe a manufacturer changed addresses. They could peen out the old address. basically hammer or file it out of the mold.

Jim G

Oh ok I see what you mean. Hopefully someone on here will have had seen this before And have a idea what it is? I do a lot of diving for bottles but this is my first one I've found(that was any good) metal detecting.
 

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I believe it to be an European cologne bottle from 1860-1880 or so. The pontil style is classic European and the bottle is similar to the Farina cologne bottles that surface here in the US quite a bit-a lot of companies copied their design. Obviously the mold has been modified quite a bit to obscure some embossing that was originally in the mold.
 

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I looked into Fatina bottles didn't see any like this.


I believe it to be an European cologne bottle from 1860-1880 or so. The pontil style is classic European and the bottle is similar to the Farina cologne bottles that surface here in the US quite a bit-a lot of companies copied their design. Obviously the mold has been modified quite a bit to obscure some embossing that was originally in the mold.
 

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Farina cologne bottles...6-sided bottles in clear (flint) glass with solid rod pontils. I wasn't saying the markings were the same, just that they were identical in form and that is a good indicator of where the bottle is from and what it contained.
 

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Was a 6 sided clear glass with solid rod pontils only produced in Europe ? Any chance this could be American made?


Farina cologne bottles...6-sided bottles in clear (flint) glass with solid rod pontils. I wasn't saying the markings were the same, just that they were identical in form and that is a good indicator of where the bottle is from and what it contained.
 

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This bottle could also have been blown into a wood mold which would break down with use (ie burn)there is also evidence of embossing being removed or a flat plate put in the mold to cover the embossing
 

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