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[SODAPOPBOB]

RE: Correction

My primary reason for starting this thread was twofold ...

1. To identify and date the broken Coca Cola bottle.

2. To find the earliest date "marked/coded" Graham bottle patent 49,729

This thread was not intended to determine who had the most expertise in the field of soda bottle collecting, nor who published the most books. Of recent this thread has become the primary focus of the broken bottle which is not marked. I am currently attempting to point out that the "shoulder" design on the broken bottle and the Graham patent number 49,729 are distinctly different. I am also attempting to point our that the embossing on the two bottles is distinctly different as well. Thus, I am currently of the opinion that the two bottles are not the same.

Respectfully

Bob

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

RE: Correction

Clarification ...

"Thus, I am currently of the opinion that the two bottles are not the same."

By "two bottles" I am referring to the Graham patent 49,729 and the broken bottle. I did not mean to imply the broken bottle and Gary's bottle.

Additionally ...

If anyone can show me a "marked / coded" bottle that has a protruding/roundish shoulder like the 76,032 patent (by any manufacturer) that is dated earlier than 1920, then I will be the one that shuts up and goes away. That roundish shoulder is highly distinctive of 1920s bottle designs. Look into it and you will see what I mean.

Thanks again

Bob

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

RE: Correction

Another clarification ...

Roundish shoulder and "square-sided"

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

RE: Correction

By the way ...

After searching for hours I finally found a ROOT bottle which is similar to the Graham bottles that have four sides. The only codes/markings on the bottle are on the heel and is embossed with ...

108c

The ROOT bottle is also embossed on the shoulder in block letters with ...

Coca Cola Bottling

I do not know exactly when it was made but suspect it was sometime in the 1920s.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

RE: Correction

For those who are not familiar with the following website, please check it out because it provides a good sampling of the types of bottles under discussion here. Notice the first patent pictured is that of the Graham/Salb bottle. But especially examine the 1920s bottles and of the various one's with the roundish shoulders I have been talking about. You will have to click on each image separately to see who patented it and when.

http://www.bottlebooks.com/Designer%20Sodas/designer_soda_bottles.htm

Also of useful interest is Google Patents ...

https://www.google.com/?tbm=pts

I typically find most of the bottles I am looking for by typing in ...

Design For A Bottle

Which is how most of the early soda bottles patents are listed. You can also add dates and specific names as well, which will help isolate certain bottle patents you might be looking for.

I hope you find both sites helpful and fun.

Bob

 

[epackage]

RE: Correction

ORIGINAL: SODAPOPBOB

Please compare the shoulders on all three images ...

Bob I think you're not seeing these drawings for what they are, these bottles are all basically the same form, but on the third Patent Drawing(76,032) they also show the bottle turned 45° so you can see the bulbous shoulder which overlaps the flat area. Forgive me if I'm mistaking what you were trying to say... Jim

 

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This is from the top looking down, it shows you the same bottle gives you two very different looks, this would hold true for Patents 49729 & 49730. They just didn't give a drawing of the bottle turned 45° like in Patent 76032...

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

RE: Correction

Jim ~

I'll get back to you later and comment. For now I just wanted to post a picture of the broken bottle so it appears on the same page as your highly forensic illustration. Great work, by the way. I really need to learn how to do that stuff.

Thanks

Bob

 

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RE: Correction

With DigDug's bottle..

 

[bottleopop]

RE: Correction

The difference between design patents 49729 and 49730 is that 49729 has the 6 facets on the neck.
The difference between design patents 49730 and 76032 is that 76032 has the grille of tiny squares on the flat panels.

There are many 'deco' bottles that have no design patent. The down-arrow Coke bottle might be one of those, or it might be following design patent 49730.

Not all bottles citing a particular design patent number look exactly like the drawing.