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Looking closely at the "square band", it appears to be somewhat uneven (not perfectly made, the lower edge of the band is not perfectly horizontal) so that definitely is a hand-blown bottle. It is certainly not a machine-made version. Probably 1890s-1920, but in France they made handmade bottles somewhat later than in the US, if I'm not mistaken.

ALSO, even though it probably is European, there were GOBS of wine and champagne bottles made here in the US that our glassmakers made to imitate the "look" of European "dark green glass" bottles of that type. You can find listings for such bottles in old glass company catalogs here in the US. So, we can only guess on where they were actually made.
 
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Just for some more info, about possible countries these kinds of Champagne / wine bottles might have been made............... Look at a page on this Illinois Glass Company (Alton, Illinois) catalog page from 1906, especially to the right on page 141. Even though this is late, Illinois had been in business since the early 1870s and had most likely been making these kinds of wine bottles for many years. Note their term "imported color". That means a dark olive green, forest green or dark emerald green to imitate the "look" of imported wine bottles from countries in Europe. https://sha.org/bottle/Typing/IGCo1906/IGCo1906page140.jpg
 
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Just for some more info, about possible countries these kinds of Champagne / wine bottles might have been made............... Look at a page on this Illinois Glass Company (Alton, Illinois) catalog page from 1906, especially to the right on page 141. Even though this is late, Illinois had been in business since the early 1870s and had most likely been making these kinds of wine bottles for many years. Note their term "imported color". That means a dark olive green, forest green or dark emerald green to imitate the "look" of imported wine bottles from countries in Europe. https://sha.org/bottle/Typing/IGCo1906/IGCo1906page140.jpg
That's interesting to see a US company advertising turn mold bottles in the 20th century, I thought they'd stopped that practice decades before. I wonder if they were making applied lip bottles to simulate the look of imported bottles as well. I've wondered why there were so many domestically-made ABM case gins here in Canada but no BIM case gins which look consistent with Canadian manufacturing styles.
 

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It's a champagne from the early 1900's. They were almost indestructible because of the kick up and heavy glass so there are many out there. They had a foil wrap around the neck usually with a name and then a paper label. this one is nice and clean but common.
I find the same bottles, they have Gordon's Gin printed on them. I can't find one on line but here is one with the acl wiped off.
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RobbyBobby64, now I am completely confused. ACL wasn't started until around 1936 (??) What age of champagne bottles are you referrring to? I have never heard of any Gordon's Gin being put in a wine bottle, since they are two totally different kinds of beverages. Can you elaborate?
 

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RobbyBobby64, now I am completely confused. ACL wasn't started until around 1936 (??) What age of champagne bottles are you referrring to? I have never heard of any Gordon's Gin being put in a wine bottle, since they are two totally different kinds of beverages. Can you elaborate?
These are the bottles I find in a dump by me. I know it doesn't make sense but these are much heavier than the normal champagne turn molds i get in the same spot. Doesn't make sense I know but i believe it was a Gordon Gin bottle, I guess i have to be wrong. What could it have been? The last of the red lettering i wiped off, I remember a shield or something. This area of the dump is 1930-50's. Definitely Acl. I want to find a picture online but can't. I am going to go back and find another one. There are alot so it should be easy. I will try to make out what it says and photograph it. Just a last second edit but maybe it said Gin-ger ale and I only could make out the Gin part. I do remember a yellow or stained white shield.
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