Some with this bottle please

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I'd be curious to see the stuff from early 1700's or anything 1870's or older?
Have a lot of stuff to go through and just getting started again. You may remember all the mixed stuff I posted before covid. All shallow surface finds. Privies has been identified but now on another property and having trouble getting permission to dig. They do not appear to have been dug yet. Of the stuff I have gone through, this little apple green 3 1/2’ utility or probably ink, hand blown, may be the oldest identifiable whole piece. The paneled 4 3/4” pontil piece is old but not 18th. Century, maybe the smaller one. Also going to post my biggest disappointment in the stuff, a broken sweet teal umbrella.
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How do you know when something is early 1700's or 1700's? how's it differ from 1800's? any tell tale signs?? LEON.
 

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For us, it’ll probably be context or association with other identifiable objects in a controlled dig. As most bottles are not easily distinguishable from 1700’s thru early 1800’s, we hope we can dig an associated privy. If we find one with layers of relics only associated with a specific time period, we can attribute the bottles in that mix to same.
 

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Should have said “As most bottles manufacture dates are not easily distinguishable from 1700’s thru early 1800’s,”
 

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There are some clues to ageing glass bottle they are the following

1.the seam line on all victorian age bottles up to 1904 the seam line goes to the base of the bottle to the"bottom" of the lip.

2.Mouth blown bottles were the first type of bottles used before forms came into being.These bottles are little bit out of shape not perfectly round.There are no seam line on these type of bottles.

3. most didn't have a lip at all.They were stright at the bore no lips!

4.If they have a lip it looks out of shape too.They were called applied lips.Applied lip were on bottles on old bottles up to 1850's.A tooled lip is one the used a lip forming tool.They were used untill 1904 time of the first machine made bottles.
 

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There are some clues to ageing glass bottle they are the following

1.the seam line on all victorian age bottles up to 1904 the seam line goes to the base of the bottle to the"bottom" of the lip.
The victorian age extends from 1837 to 1901. It is a vast exaggeration that the side seam goes to the bottom of the lip on all bottles of the period. Many of these bottles have no side seam at all (turn mold or "paste" mold).
2.Mouth blown bottles were the first type of bottles used before forms came into being.These bottles are little bit out of shape not perfectly round.There are no seam line on these type of bottles.
All 18th and 19th Century bottles are mouth-blown. You are referring to "free-blown" bottles.

3. most didn't have a lip at all.They were stright at the bore no lips!
This is just downright wrong. It is the exceptional bottle that has no special lip finish.

4.If they have a lip it looks out of shape too.They were called applied lips.Applied lip were on bottles on old bottles up to 1850's.A tooled lip is one the used a lip forming tool.They were used untill 1904 time of the first machine made bottles.
USA bottle-makers applied lips to bottles until about 1880. Lipping tools were used in some glasshouses until about 1915 when all bottle-makers switched to Owens-style machines.
 

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Ditto on hock wine. Generally speaking second half of 1800s. They were used for US products as well as European. Mom has one with a label with a NY town and a Vermont town on it.

Jim G
 

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