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I have been collecting, and dealing in Bottles for about 10 or 12 yrs now, and thought I had seen most of the different Pontil Scars that were out there. I picked this Masonic Eagle up a few weeks ago, and its got an interesting half round channel from one side of the base to the other. right through a normal looking Pontil. I am curious about why its there, and what might have caused it. The pint Flask is a Heartbreaker, with a crack down the outer edge of the Eagle's wing on the right side. It is however loaded with crudity, and its in a blistering color. I think it to be a GIV 17. I dont normally ever buy cracked bottles (knowingly) It was priced very right. KEENE is in the oval slugplate. Any thoughts on this base would be appreciated. I'l throw up a couple pics so you can see the Flask in its entirety. First, here's the pontiled base.

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Here's one side, What a window Bottle

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Close up of the Oval with KEENE

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Those two part flasks often have a bottom seam that makes them sit funny. Maybe thats someones attempt to recess the seam and make a better bottle?
 

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Well in my opinion it looks like it could have been a cross member method of locking the two mold halves together properly for the final blow. It es a neat bottle to have and study even if it does have a crack in the glass. Thanks for showing it to us.
RED Matthews
 

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Here's my theory.
The base didn't cool enough an stuck at the hinge making a gap and raising the area. Maybe they flattened the base on a table (maybe not). Then they put the base in the fire while still on the pipe. Then they cracked it off for the lip. I'm not sure how the re-fired the pontil to make it smooth but glass makers could do it I'm sure.
 

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Simple solution - this is how any and every bottle blown in this particular mold appears.
 

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this is how any and every bottle blown in this particular mold appears.

But why did they make the mold that way? Was it a repair? Did someone try to recess the bottom mold seam?
It seems atypical of similar 2 part molds of the time... at least to me anyway.
 

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and its got an interesting half round channel from one side of the base to the other. right through a normal looking Pontil.

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Looks to me as if the bottle was sat down on a handle of a glassblowing tool, such as a lip finisher or holding tool. as it goes over the pontil, pushing the pontil up into the glass, probably a gaffers helper left something where it didnt belong, and this bottle was put on top of it. as they were being paid by the piece, the crew put it in the annealing oven and sold it to the customer anyways.........cool crudity to say the least!!!!
 

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