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The picture I posted was zoomed in on purpose so you could actually read the small print. Here in this pic not as far zoomed in you can see the roads surrounding the area. The solid black lines are not roads while the not solid black lines are the roads. This may give you a better perception of the area. LEON.

P.S.. the solid black line is exactly right in the middle between the 2 roads running east & west.

P.S.S. looking at the map it looks like it could be at the lower split but if so the map is not to accurate, the streets & railroads may be more accurate but i don't think the creeks or rivers are to accurate, unless they move over time?


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The picture I posted was zoomed in on purpose so you could actually read the small print. Here in this pic not as far zoomed in you can see the roads surrounding the area. The solid black lines are not roads while the not solid black lines are the roads. This may give you a better perception of the area. LEON.

P.S.. the solid black line is exactly right in the middle between the 2 roads running east & west.

P.S.S. looking at the map it looks like it could be at the lower split but if so the map is not to accurate, the streets & railroads may be more accurate but i don't think the creeks or rivers are to accurate, unless they move over time?


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Yeah it's tough to line up the creeks with the old maps. I think it's a mix of both things you said - creeks do move over time, especially in the early-mid 20th century when a lot were rerouted by farmers, and also the surveyors did not put much effort into accurately mapping them compared to the effort they put into accurately recording the locations of buildings and property lines. Accurately mapping a creek with 1870s technology probably wouldn't have been considered worthwhile, while mapping houses and property boundaries wasn't too difficult with simple surveying equipment or even just pacing out the distance.
 

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That would make sense, however a lower stream to the scale of the map does not appear to exist, looking at the hillshade map the only tributary in the area barely goes out 1000 feet to the east, not the whole way to route 77 as the map depicts. The only tributary that is on the same scale as the one depicted on the map is the northern stream, so it must be that right??? I know streams change overtime, but I would expect them to get larger, not smaller.
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That would make sense, however a lower stream to the scale of the map does not appear to exist, looking at the hillshade map the only tributary in the area barely goes out 1000 feet to the east, not the whole way to route 77 as the map depicts. The only tributary that is on the same scale as the one depicted on the map is the northern stream, so it must be that right??? I know streams change overtime, but I would expect them to get larger, not smaller.
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Streams often get smaller over time if the source of the water runs out, or change their course completely. For a stream that small either one wouldn't be an uncommon occurrence, especially since it looks like the area directly to the south of the stream was farmed at some point. Regardless, it can't be the upper stream because the upper stream is on an entirely different property. Looking at your link it looks like it wasn't the same company which drew up the Ontario map that I use, but no matter how inaccurate the map is, they wouldn't have made a mistake like that. You don't need accurate mapping technology to know who owns the mineral springs.
It looks like there is a lower area which roughly aligns with the stream shown on the 1876 map, so at some point it could have significantly changed its route northward and the old stream bed mostly dried up. There is still the mouth of a small tributary roughly where the 1876 map shows it, even though it doesn't seem to have anything feeding it today, and the eastern half of the tributary seems to have the same route as the one shown on the 1876 map. It passes under Allegheny Road and begins at roughly the same place, so I think this was probably the original route:
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After doing some research on this subject it made me kinda Interested in these 2 Bottles when I seen them up for Auction recently. Is Planeguy2 still active in here? LEON.
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