Anyone Ever Seen One of These?

[PBrown7777]

Has anyone ever seen one of these or knows what it is? Reminds me of Drake's Plantation Bitters, but the resemblance ends there. This is a light blue, 13 1/2" tall x 3 1/4", all four panels embossed with the same flower design, no other lettering or ID marks, can barely make out three seams starting about 1/4" from bottom and extending up to just under the lip. The lip and bottom appear applied. No dings, cracks, etc. I acquired it, along with a large number of antique bottles, over 20 years ago in an old chicken house converted to sell antiques and which had not been open for about 25 years. Appreciate any info.

 

[2find4me]

1960's decorative piece...

 

[RED Matthews]

I think you need to tell us what is embossed on the bottle. RED M.

 

[PBrown7777]

Red:These are better pics of this pretty bottle, which I'm sure now is a decorative piece mfg in the 60s or 70s as you originally said.Also, I tried to email you about the old bottle book, but never rec'd an answer.....don't know if you got the email or lost interest.Below is some additional information that Bill provided me when I questioned him about the pontil scar at the base of the bottle (which is apparently a fake!). This may be more information than you need, but Bill Lindsey is a wealth of information and wonderful resource!

"...it is certainly contrived, i.e., it is a feature engraved into the base plate of the machine mold OR it is possibly (but unlikely) a ?ejection? or valve mark from the use of a ?press-and-blow? machine.

Both Wheaton and Clevenger made fake pontil scars on the bases of their reproduction/fantasy bottles to make them more ?authentic? looking I guess. Clevenger at some point in their long history (~1930 to ~2007, I think) switched from really using pontil rods ? thus leaving real, rough and sharp pontil scars ? to just engraving a rough looking indentation in the base plate of the mold so their bottles have a pseudo pontil scar. This was likely after they moved (like originally for mid-19th century glass houses) from the harder to use pontil rod to a much faster and efficient snap tool of some type.

Wheaton?s fully machine-made bottles (and some foreign fantasy types I?ve seen) had pseudo ?pontil scars? that were also roughly engraved spots on the base plate to fake a pontil scar but they don?t really look real at all. They were totally machine made bottles that came no where near a pontil rod.

The instant key give away to me that the bottle was certainly machine-made (besides it ?looks? like a modern fantasy bottle) is one parison mold seam just below the base of the lip/finish on the outside as well as one (or maybe the same; images not clear enough to say for sure) faintly visible on the inside of the bore on the away-from-the-camera side of the bottle. Only machines produce those types of diagnostic features."

Thank you again for connecting with Odyssey,

All my best,
Ellen


Ellen Gerth
Archaeological Curator
Odyssey Marine Exploration
www.shipwreck.net
813-830-6583

 

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