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Hi everyone, new here. Question on English black glass age and best way to get an accurate date range. I recently was digging in a dump that has a large date range to it (from what I have found 1885-1960s) and came across what lookes like someone tossed out a pile of old bottle they prob found in their barn or something. Consisted of a Maltine mfg, a broken Clarks & White, and a bunch of what looks like English beers. The bulk are 3 piece mold with applied tops, a turn mold that is 20th, and one that is fairly more crude with a sand pontil. Curious how I can assign dates to these as I am not that up to speed on English glass nuances. Any ideas?

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Welcome to the forum! Most of them look like the typical UK export beers that show up in 1890s-1920s dumps up here, so they're probably from the same era as the Maltine Mfg Co. The older-looking one I'm not sure on, I agree that it's probably a late throw because I don't remember seeing any like that showing up in the typical rural Canadian dumps that are full of the other type.
 

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Hi everyone, new here. Question on English black glass age and best way to get an accurate date range. I recently was digging in a dump that has a large date range to it (from what I have found 1885-1960s) and came across what lookes like someone tossed out a pile of old bottle they prob found in their barn or something. Consisted of a Maltine mfg, a broken Clarks & White, and a bunch of what looks like English beers. The bulk are 3 piece mold with applied tops, a turn mold that is 20th, and one that is fairly more crude with a sand pontil. Curious how I can assign dates to these as I am not that up to speed on English glass nuances. Any ideas?

Jeff
I've found comparable bottles in 1890's to 1910's context. Have a very similar 3-piece-mold, applied lip, black glass bottle to the one in the middle of your 5-bottle lineup. From the cylinder portion, its slightly convex shoulders describe an almost straight, neckless taper to the small, blob-type lip. It measures 11 inches tall, and I recovered it from a mining camp in southern British Columbia.

Edit: The camp was described in an 1897 mining book.
 

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Try checking out SiFinds on YouTube. He's a mudlarker and bottle diggers in the U.K. and he finds stuff like this rather routinely. Perhaps he can help with some of the more specific brands.

You mentioned you found a broken Clark & White bottle. Is that Clarke & White minerals from Saratoga? Those normally date from 1860 to 1880.

Also note that as a general rule, British manufacturing techniques were normally two decades behind what we had in the U.S. So, if you find a British beer that is pointed, think that it was made 20 years after a U.S. pontil. Again, general rule.
 

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Hi everyone thanks for the replies, helps give an idea of the age. Thanks Hezezilla for the youtube channel recommendation, and yes the Clarke & White was the small size Saratoga.
 

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