Vernors Ginger Ale 150th B-Day

[SODABOB]

For Andy ...

Hopefully these photos will help. Here is the bottom of the Vernor's by Holman seltzer:

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Those are the only markings. No markings on the spicket.

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I also have have this one - sorry for driving all you bottle collectors crazy with this stuff - this is one of my prize pieces:

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No manufacturer markings at all. The spicket says "Vernor Detroit Mich". Here are more photos attached. Any help with dates is very much appreciated.

 

[SODABOB]

And this one, too ...

Bob or others with your amazing resources-

Do you have any dates or information on C.R. Holman? This Vernor's seltzer/syphon says "Vernor's Ginger Ale sold by C.R. Holman".

Not even sure if this is Detroit or somewhere else.

Syphons in this style began in 1830 - but never changed much. Maybe Holman's era will help us date Vernor's.

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[andy volkerts]

Didn't Vernors start around 1880 sometime, I forget the date is somewhere in this thread, anyhow it gave them quite a long time to develop there sales of Ginger ale in Siphons or soda bottles, in any case the product would have been sold originally from there soda fountains wouldn't one think??......Andy

 

[hemihampton]

Leon

I should have been more specific in the way I worded my question. The point of emphasis I was trying to make and draw attention to is the fact that the 1900 invoice/letterhead that Keith posted shows a siphon bottle but not a soda bottle. I realize the invoice itself could have been printed earlier than 1900, but even if it was, why does it show a soda fountain 'outfit' and a 'siphon bottle' but no soda bottle?

Good Question, I'd like to see another Invoice or Ad or anything similar from early 1900 with a soda bottle, not extract or siphon. Bob, What do you think about that Early Vernors bottle Keith has with Vernors on bottom but no Monogram? LEON.

 

[hemihampton]

The other day I saw this identical invoice/letterhead dated 1897, but I did not save a picture of it. I'll see if I can find it again. Notice ...

The Siphon Bottle ...

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This one Bob? Looks like it might say Siphon right on receipt?

 

[hemihampton]

1928 Receipt, Front & back.

 

[SODABOB]

Leon

We know these three bottles were made by the Graham Glass Company in the 1920s, and that at least one of them apparently has the VGA on the base. Please post pictures of the entire bottles and/or describe how they are embossed in the portions we cannot see in these pictures. And do all of them have the VGA on the base?

The thing is, because one or all of them have VGA on the base, and they are from the 1920s, that tells us the VGA symbol was used fairly late. Whereas what appear to be earlier? bottles, like some of the examples that Keith posted, apparently don't have the VGA symbol. In other words, its starting to look as if the VGA bottles are later and that the Non-VGA bottles are earlier.

Bob, Yes I do have codes or #'s on 2 of my early Vernor's bottles. Hard to see them but here's some pics. LEON.View attachment 174813View attachment 174814View attachment 174815

 

[hemihampton]

So, Your saying my bottle with Monogram & no #'s & the 1906 statement is from 1920's & graham glass. How do you know? you did say all 3? I'd like to know when Keiths bottle was made, The one with tooled crown top & no Monogram or insignia or what ever you wanta call it on bottom. It had this plain bottom & I think a paper label still intact. Pic below. LEON.

 

[SODABOB]

Reminder:

The Food & Drug Act bottles with VGA embossed on the front (like the one I recently purchased) cannot date any earlier than 1906-1907

 

[hemihampton]

Leon

We know these three bottles were made by the Graham Glass Company in the 1920s, and that at least one of them apparently has the VGA on the base. Please post pictures of the entire bottles and/or describe how they are embossed in the portions we cannot see in these pictures. And do all of them have the VGA on the base?

The thing is, because one or all of them have VGA on the base, and they are from the 1920s, that tells us the VGA symbol was used fairly late. Whereas what appear to be earlier? bottles, like some of the examples that Keith posted, apparently don't have the VGA symbol. In other words, its starting to look as if the VGA bottles are later and that the Non-VGA bottles are earlier.

Only the 2 without the 1906 statement have the Vernors monogram on base or bottom as I call it. The 1906 statement bottle has nothing on bottom bottom. Al 3 have the monogram of front face of bottle but only the 2 later bottles have it on bottom. LEON.