Steve/sewell
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Mike, glad to hear from you again,I thought you would be checking in eventually,(you usually do when I post),thanks for the info.Just for the record the Glass factory on the lake was called the Vermont Glass Factory like you see on the 1.50 note,second it was located on the shore of lake Dunmore (not Dunsmore) there is no such place ......I know I have had many typos also.When you look at this hat from a short distance the predominant color is dark olive green.Holding it in direct light changes things up big time as there are many shades of colors in the glass and it is truly and end of day, bottom of (pots) plural made item. I have the piece in front of me and have no reason to lie about its color.As for the statement by Jeff (granny notes) I tend to believe them a lot more then disbelieve them as why would someone from a bygone era have any good reason really to make a false claim over a worthless piece of glass.Yes worthless (Remember only a hand full of us nuts in our hobby really give a rats a-s-s about this stuff anyway)The rest of the populace could care less and it very trivial and quite unimportant to them.If a granny or grandpa note appears or a story about an item is passed down through the ages,I believe them,because for them to take the time to state something about the glass or any object shows me they cared as much back then as we collectors do now.
First, like Jeff had stated a second factory was completed in 1813 in East Middlebury that did in fact produce window glass and bottles.Epaphras Jones, who had previously, in the name of the Vermont Glass Factory, erected a large establishment for manufacturing window glass, at Lake Dunmore, in Salisbury, as any good business man would he expanded his operations, in the year 1812 he built in the town of East Middlebury 5 miles away,a large dome shaped brick building 60 feet in height for the manufacture of glass ware.
Secondly the following statement took place in 1840.A bit of testimony regarding bottle making at East Middlebury is to be found in a semi centennial sermon that preached in December, 1840, by Dr. Thomas A. Merrill at the Middlebury Congregational Church of which he was the minister from December 19, 1805, to October 19, 1842. In describing various sections of the town, he designated East Middlebury as the "bottle factory district from the circumstances that it was the site of a spacious building erected in 1814 in which was manufactured various articles of glass and among the rest bottles.I spoke at length with two people one from the Sheldon museum and a patron,a nice elderly gentleman (one of those granny note guys) while I was in Burlington Vermont last week and both concurred bottles were a product at East Middlebury.
So the above two thoughts should be considered fact and a statement by two men who should know that the East Middlebury branch of the Vermont Glass Factory was built, was actually operated, and that bottles were blown there. Some people not conversant with the locality have mistakenly thought that the glasshouse at Lake Dunmore and that at East Middlebury were one and the same. Actually, they are about five miles apart and were once connected by a direct highway now referred to as the Salisbury Plains Road. The warehouse site of the East Middlebury factory is now occupied by an Episcopal Church chapel, and when footings were being dug for its foundations a lots of glass fragments were unearthed.
Now why was I in Vermont last weekend?
My son Steve had an invitation to attend the Green Mountain Glades Ice hockey camp this weekend.We were in Canada the previous two weeks and two Fridays past May 6th my Dads sister( My Aunt ) passed away.In talking to my cousins I knew we wouldn't be able to attend the camp held today, yesterday and Friday because of the Funeral arangements.We left Kingston Ontario very early Saturday morning and stopped for a two hour evaluation at the Green Mountain Glades Ice hockey rink in Burlington.While there we made a day of it and stayed at a Double Tree hotel in Burlington.After my sons evaluation I visited the Sheldon Museum,a very Neat place.I recommend to anyone who travels through the area to make it a point to stop there.
When I purchase glass from various sources I lean towards the side of honesty on the sellers part.I also hold old timers with great esteem and respect, if they can tell me enough in great detail about any particular piece of glass from a collection they are selling and that I am contemplating purchasing then their word is as good as gold.Seems Mike I bought a green aqua hat from you three months ago and I took your word for it that it came from Keene because of one of those little old granny notes on the bottom of it said so..You your self said you saw no reason for it not to be from Keene.Granny notes and hearsay in regards to historical objects are just as good as our own modern day research,it is just another source and I tend to believe most of them for there is no good reason not tour hobby really is not important enough in the scheme of things to warrant unequivocal Glass DNA.Unfortunatley for we collectors only this gentleman ( J Victor Owen ) of Saint Mary's University 923 Robie Street Halifax, Nova Scotia, has perfected this technique and he has much larger fish to fry then prove where any one piece of glass in our United States came from on a daily or yearly basis.
I only post this info here at this forum for small reasons,first and foremost never to mislead only to share information recently attained.I also post for healthy debate, enlightenment,enjoyment and historical relevance not for bragging rights or any other selfish purpose.Glass attribution is not in the top ten list of 99.99999 percent of the American populace minds or sentiments or even in my own mind for that matter. .As for raining on my parade I didn't know there was one (a parade that is) in fact as I write this the sun has come out and I think I will go and cut my grass now which is two weeks tall for I have been a Canuck for the past two weeks.............Did you know our dollar is worth only 91 cents against the Canadian dollar.That is a very important FACT we should all care about, not glass attribution.I found out the hard way over the last two week period while in Canada. Time to cut the grass as rain will be back in an hour or two. Ill post this when I am done................ GRASS IS CUT AND THEN IT RAINED LIKE LIKE HELL Jeff here is one of those (granny notes) on the bottom of the very nice end of day hat whimsey I purchased from Mike Earlyglass.It says its from Keene and the seller Mike is an honest and respectable glass historian who said he had no doubt to not believe the attribution on the note.I believe he was correct in his assumption....Cant you guys just post some of your own collection and your knowledge rather then attack my posts a great deal of the time.Your both respected here it would serve the forum and its members a lot better this way.Steve
First, like Jeff had stated a second factory was completed in 1813 in East Middlebury that did in fact produce window glass and bottles.Epaphras Jones, who had previously, in the name of the Vermont Glass Factory, erected a large establishment for manufacturing window glass, at Lake Dunmore, in Salisbury, as any good business man would he expanded his operations, in the year 1812 he built in the town of East Middlebury 5 miles away,a large dome shaped brick building 60 feet in height for the manufacture of glass ware.
Secondly the following statement took place in 1840.A bit of testimony regarding bottle making at East Middlebury is to be found in a semi centennial sermon that preached in December, 1840, by Dr. Thomas A. Merrill at the Middlebury Congregational Church of which he was the minister from December 19, 1805, to October 19, 1842. In describing various sections of the town, he designated East Middlebury as the "bottle factory district from the circumstances that it was the site of a spacious building erected in 1814 in which was manufactured various articles of glass and among the rest bottles.I spoke at length with two people one from the Sheldon museum and a patron,a nice elderly gentleman (one of those granny note guys) while I was in Burlington Vermont last week and both concurred bottles were a product at East Middlebury.
So the above two thoughts should be considered fact and a statement by two men who should know that the East Middlebury branch of the Vermont Glass Factory was built, was actually operated, and that bottles were blown there. Some people not conversant with the locality have mistakenly thought that the glasshouse at Lake Dunmore and that at East Middlebury were one and the same. Actually, they are about five miles apart and were once connected by a direct highway now referred to as the Salisbury Plains Road. The warehouse site of the East Middlebury factory is now occupied by an Episcopal Church chapel, and when footings were being dug for its foundations a lots of glass fragments were unearthed.
Now why was I in Vermont last weekend?
My son Steve had an invitation to attend the Green Mountain Glades Ice hockey camp this weekend.We were in Canada the previous two weeks and two Fridays past May 6th my Dads sister( My Aunt ) passed away.In talking to my cousins I knew we wouldn't be able to attend the camp held today, yesterday and Friday because of the Funeral arangements.We left Kingston Ontario very early Saturday morning and stopped for a two hour evaluation at the Green Mountain Glades Ice hockey rink in Burlington.While there we made a day of it and stayed at a Double Tree hotel in Burlington.After my sons evaluation I visited the Sheldon Museum,a very Neat place.I recommend to anyone who travels through the area to make it a point to stop there.
When I purchase glass from various sources I lean towards the side of honesty on the sellers part.I also hold old timers with great esteem and respect, if they can tell me enough in great detail about any particular piece of glass from a collection they are selling and that I am contemplating purchasing then their word is as good as gold.Seems Mike I bought a green aqua hat from you three months ago and I took your word for it that it came from Keene because of one of those little old granny notes on the bottom of it said so..You your self said you saw no reason for it not to be from Keene.Granny notes and hearsay in regards to historical objects are just as good as our own modern day research,it is just another source and I tend to believe most of them for there is no good reason not tour hobby really is not important enough in the scheme of things to warrant unequivocal Glass DNA.Unfortunatley for we collectors only this gentleman ( J Victor Owen ) of Saint Mary's University 923 Robie Street Halifax, Nova Scotia, has perfected this technique and he has much larger fish to fry then prove where any one piece of glass in our United States came from on a daily or yearly basis.
I only post this info here at this forum for small reasons,first and foremost never to mislead only to share information recently attained.I also post for healthy debate, enlightenment,enjoyment and historical relevance not for bragging rights or any other selfish purpose.Glass attribution is not in the top ten list of 99.99999 percent of the American populace minds or sentiments or even in my own mind for that matter. .As for raining on my parade I didn't know there was one (a parade that is) in fact as I write this the sun has come out and I think I will go and cut my grass now which is two weeks tall for I have been a Canuck for the past two weeks.............Did you know our dollar is worth only 91 cents against the Canadian dollar.That is a very important FACT we should all care about, not glass attribution.I found out the hard way over the last two week period while in Canada. Time to cut the grass as rain will be back in an hour or two. Ill post this when I am done................ GRASS IS CUT AND THEN IT RAINED LIKE LIKE HELL Jeff here is one of those (granny notes) on the bottom of the very nice end of day hat whimsey I purchased from Mike Earlyglass.It says its from Keene and the seller Mike is an honest and respectable glass historian who said he had no doubt to not believe the attribution on the note.I believe he was correct in his assumption....Cant you guys just post some of your own collection and your knowledge rather then attack my posts a great deal of the time.Your both respected here it would serve the forum and its members a lot better this way.Steve