authentic saddle bottle San Fran?
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it seems to have quite a bit of base wear and the top looks pretty crude i would think so but im by no means an expert or for that matter a very reputable source for flasks of any type
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EP.....looks like the real item to me. Persian in origins.I haven't heard of any being reproduced, but does seem more are showing up on eBay. I recall when $20 was too high for these, but lately they have been going for over $50.
It's quite possible our Troops in Iraq are acquiring these and bringing/sending them back to the US.
Is that sand ? It may be embedded in the glass. One larger Persian flagon I have has ashes, sand, and black specks in the glass... Some primitive methods of blowing glass existed in those days.
It's quite possible our Troops in Iraq are acquiring these and bringing/sending them back to the US.
Is that sand ? It may be embedded in the glass. One larger Persian flagon I have has ashes, sand, and black specks in the glass... Some primitive methods of blowing glass existed in those days.
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That is what sent up the first flag was the sand. Now you mention Iraq and the inreased presence of these bottles on Ebay and I wonder....MMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmm.
This particular bottle was suppose to have been unearthed after the 1906 Earth Quake. Sure has been dirty along time.
There is a very long and lenghty piece on the Quake, regardless of how germaine it is to the sale.
Ep
http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-1800s-Bluish-Green-Saddle-Bottle-frm-San-Francisco_W0QQitemZ330087879679QQihZ014QQcategoryZ891QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
This particular bottle was suppose to have been unearthed after the 1906 Earth Quake. Sure has been dirty along time.
There is a very long and lenghty piece on the Quake, regardless of how germaine it is to the sale.
Ep
http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-1800s-Bluish-Green-Saddle-Bottle-frm-San-Francisco_W0QQitemZ330087879679QQihZ014QQcategoryZ891QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Same styling as the "naval boarding weapons" he's selling.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
http://cgi.ebay.com/1700s-Palm-Size-Blown-Glass-Naval-Boarding-Weapon_W0QQitemZ330086426223QQihZ014QQcategoryZ10951QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/1800s-Black-Purple-Glass-Naval-Boarding-Weapon_W0QQitemZ330088587670QQihZ014QQcategoryZ66638QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Amazing how they all have that spiraling around the neck. Must be a commonly used adornment for bottle blowers around the world.
Never trust a seller that provides lots of fluff information that really has little to do with the item they are selling, it's usually a smokescreen.
Alan
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
http://cgi.ebay.com/1700s-Palm-Size-Blown-Glass-Naval-Boarding-Weapon_W0QQitemZ330086426223QQihZ014QQcategoryZ10951QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/1800s-Black-Purple-Glass-Naval-Boarding-Weapon_W0QQitemZ330088587670QQihZ014QQcategoryZ66638QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Amazing how they all have that spiraling around the neck. Must be a commonly used adornment for bottle blowers around the world.
Never trust a seller that provides lots of fluff information that really has little to do with the item they are selling, it's usually a smokescreen.
Alan
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I won this auction (~$50-$60.) I still haven't cleaned it, but the soot looks & feels as
dry & permanent as you find on insulators along abandoned railroad grades; I
could clean it with oxalic acid, but I won't; I'll keep it as documented in this thread.
So far as the 1906 fire provenance, I could care less; the bottle's seller "sirmarkw"
was known to me to be a liar, and I watched him sell his little Mexican "naval boarding
weapons" ("decksweeper grenades") wondering if he'd ever get shut down...then
this one showed up in his listings as a "Persian saddle bottle"...which it may be; or
may be not "Persian"- but a significant type bottle that I doubt has been produced
in this size/weight/form in a very long time; indeed these larger bottles may be one of
many(?) original types that were employed in the fabrication of "deck-sweepers"
along with any other variety of heavy "black glass" bottle that one might have handy?
[The oft-repeated assertion that no bottles were filled with black powder and nails,
etc.; wrapped in tar-and-canvas and fitted with a rope around the neck for hanging
& throwing is probably incorrect...at least some historical documentation alludes
to this as being commonly practiced.]
I'm still researching iron punty pontilled bottles like this one, and will start a new
thread someday when I'm ready...in the meantime, here's another old topic, I thought
could be refreshed!
~Mark
dry & permanent as you find on insulators along abandoned railroad grades; I
could clean it with oxalic acid, but I won't; I'll keep it as documented in this thread.
So far as the 1906 fire provenance, I could care less; the bottle's seller "sirmarkw"
was known to me to be a liar, and I watched him sell his little Mexican "naval boarding
weapons" ("decksweeper grenades") wondering if he'd ever get shut down...then
this one showed up in his listings as a "Persian saddle bottle"...which it may be; or
may be not "Persian"- but a significant type bottle that I doubt has been produced
in this size/weight/form in a very long time; indeed these larger bottles may be one of
many(?) original types that were employed in the fabrication of "deck-sweepers"
along with any other variety of heavy "black glass" bottle that one might have handy?
[The oft-repeated assertion that no bottles were filled with black powder and nails,
etc.; wrapped in tar-and-canvas and fitted with a rope around the neck for hanging
& throwing is probably incorrect...at least some historical documentation alludes
to this as being commonly practiced.]
I'm still researching iron punty pontilled bottles like this one, and will start a new
thread someday when I'm ready...in the meantime, here's another old topic, I thought
could be refreshed!
~Mark
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