advice for novice collector

[essexbutterfly]

Hi all im after a bit of advice i love collecting bottles have quite a few now what i hunted out at boot markets but 2 have got me puzzled and cant find any info on.
i have a small about 3 inch high ink bottle with windsor and newton london england on it but the company is still running today and i cant seem to find any info on that bottle or its age how much its worth etc ( i dont want to sell but like to keep photos and cost for insurance and incase im sitting on a gem )

also have another ink bottle which still has the stopper in it very worn away and like an ink pen nib type think stuck in it inRSB stamped on bottle but other than that i dont know

im happy to email a pic to anyone as i cant seem to upload on to here any help will be great

thanks

louise

 

[RED Matthews]

Study Hard and Long.

 

[essexbutterfly]

I have I have searched all my bottles I have but as I said I'm stumped on three bottle

 

[RED Matthews]

So lets start with this.

This is a collection of material information for newbee's in the hobby of Historic Bottle Collecting. There are several approaches to bottle collecting, and every one has a different interest, that keeps them going after bottles that represent their interest. My interest in putting this together; is to look at the development of bottle making and the methods that were used when the bottles were Hand-Made and Mouth-Blown. This is intended to mainly cover the bottles that were made in the development of the American Glass Making Industry, the first industry in our country.. New diggers and collectors, need to realize how to identify bottles that were made by Hand and Mouth-Blown vs the bottles that were made on an AUTOMATIC BOTTLE MACHINE (ABM). These glass items can be left for future collecting objectives; or recycled into the batch additive to today's glass production. If there are two vertical seams on the finish of the bottle, leave it or recycle it. The logic is the value isn't going to be worth taking it home; unless it is an unusual figural or fancy bottle. There are a lot of interesting bottles made later, but ones interest has to become more specialized. For example I have a bitg collection of large advertising bottles – that were never even filled. Whiskeys, beers, perfume, Coca Cola and many products. Multiple finish Wolfe bottles, and bottles that were made with special mold designs. So you can’t leave justification for saving others also.
The number one thing to learn is how to identify and know Mouth Blown Bottles. One of the best things to learn is how to identify the pontil marks.
#1 When a bottle has a round ring of glass on the bottom, it is telling us that the ring was made by having an empontiling done with the previous blow pipe with neck glass left on the end of that blow pipe. The diameters (inside and outside) will be about the same as the neck of the bottle under the finish. So this is a Blow pipe or Open Tube Pontil, on the bottom of your bottle. That previous blowpipe was laid on a rack by the glory hole to keep that glass tube end hot enough to stick to the next bottle. These are often referred to as: an open pontil but that is up to the collectors’ use of words.
#2 When the bottle has a contact mark on the bottom that illustrates that what was used to empontil it, that mark will be a round form with different textures in the mark. The mark is made by an iron punty rod and the diameter and style is different for: small to huge heavy glass bottles. These heated punty rods were often soft coated with a sticking agent like: graphite, red lead or white lead . The coated punty is then placed in; an open boxes with: powdered iron, glass chips, glass dust, sand, to mention the main ones. It is then stuck on the bottom of the new bottle to become a handle for the bottle-maker to apply glass to the neck of the empontilled bottle.
Some punties are even just coated with some hot glass from the melting crucible. Identifying the exact method of empontiling is not as important as just realizing it has been on a punty rod.
#3 Now the last thing to look at is the finish on top of the bottle you are thinking of keeping. If the finish was applied hot glass it will be just a ring of glass or it might have lines going around it and down on the neck of the bottle indicating that a pinch action tool had been inserted in the neck and the hot glass rotated to shape the hot glass, that was put on the neck. In this looking at your bottle or jar – if you see two vertical mold lines on that finish – then it was made on an ABM (Automatic Bottle Machine) and left for a future collector. The only exception is if the bottle is a unique figural or has some other indications of being a collectors item. This will come after you have more experience.
This is no doubt enough to get you on a good road. RED Matthews <bottlemysteries@yahoo.com>

 

[AntiqueMeds]

https://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/Posting-pictures%2C-making-links/m-383099/tm.htm

 

[essexbutterfly]

many thanks i read this with interest i love the history and orion of bottles

 

[essexbutterfly]

thank you

 

[surfaceone]

i have a small about 3 inch high ink bottle with windsor and newton london england on it but the company is still running today and i cant seem to find any info on that bottle or its age how much its worth etc

Hello Louise,

Welcome to the A-BN. Is your bottle a "Winsor & Newman," and is it embossed as an ink? I think they were known more for their paints.

"1835
The world's first moist water colours are launched
In 1835, Winsor and Newton developed the first moist water colours utilising the moisture-retaining properties of a recently discovered material, glycerine.
The new water colour pans were much simpler and more convenient to use than water colour cakes and quickly earned well-deserved popularity. Artists such as Turner were now able to paint outdoors prolifically in water colour." From.

 

[essexbutterfly]

thanks for heads up i think the problem i have with the research is the company is still running and google isnt the best for its research so throws so much info up im slowly weeding through it all but cant pin down much about how old the bottle is or the other one,
i have posted it on another site with pics so fingers crossed ill get some more info can never have enough history i love it

 

[surfaceone]

i have posted it on another site with pics so fingers crossed ill get some more info can never have enough history i love it

Hey Louise,

We feel so dissed, when you post pictures elsewhere, but not here. [8D] Could you post a link to wherever this may be, please?

If you have your photos on one of the photo hosting sites, copy the image code (that ends in .jpg) and sandwich it between these brackety guys:

and presto-chango...

Museum of London.