Another unknown

[CALDIGR2]

Caldigs' post about the unknown bottle inspired me to post this one that I dug from an early Sacramento privy. The bottles in that pit were a mixture of OP and IP with a handful of early smoothies thrown in. The one is clear flint glass, has the earliest smooth base, and a very strange top. I have reason to believe that this bottle is western, but can't prove it so far. The embossing, although weak, reads Tallman & Collins/ Perfumer. Never cleaned, the bottle remains as it came from the ground.

 

[pjritter]

Not one ive heard of from Philly...if that helps any.

 

[surfaceone]

Happy Birthday, Mike,

Great bottle! Is the throat ground? It's kinda western, depending on your definition of the word "west."

"During the mid-1800s and for
a span of 25 years, perfume was
a flourishing business in
Janesville. This was due, in
part, to the eldest Tallman son,
William Henry. He started in
the drug business first in 1851
with George Kemp as. his
partner.
"le sold this business a few
years later, but it still continues
today as McCue and Buss Drug
Co.
After the sale of the
drugstore, in 1859, Taliman
formed a partnership with a
Mr. Collins and established the
Tallman & Collins Perfume
business. The" purchased the
former Baptist Church, now
occupied by Hulick Bros.
Printing and Photo Engraving,
to use as their factory. For 10
years perfume, toothpaste,
scented oils and numerous
related items were sold under
this label. In 1869, Tallman
became sole owner of the firm,.
and all merchanidse from then
on carried the William Henry
Tallman perfume labels.
About 1882, the perfume
business was discontinued and
Talman went to New York
where he ' orked for the firm
Lanman and:Kenp, which dealt
!n ices, perfumes and related.
Janesville Gazette
Once
merchandise. It. is tik l1des
existing.business, of thist:t e ii
the United Statefgyhe Tallrmiar
perfume firm remained close(
for 20 years with the buildinj
standing idle.
William Henry died ifr 1904
and after his death, his son
George Kemp Tallman, soldlh'
business to Willson-Monarch
Laboratory in Edgerton--a
firm in existence until recently,
Numerous items, includihg
perfume bottles, are still in
existence in the Jan esville area,
either in the hands of collectors
or displayed at the Tallman
Restorations. Perfume bottles
bearing the William Henry
Tallman labels are on dressers
in Augusta's room, Mr.
Tallman's room and the Lincoln
bedroom in the Tallman House. .
These bottles have all been
pressed and are a clear glassy
rather than colored. The line.
are graceful, some designed 1
look like cut glass. - /
More items, with the Tall an
& Collins label, are displayed
upstairs at the carriage house.
A sample case,..labes,, ad-
vertising books, a bottle mold,
and advertising posters are just
a few of the numerous articles
on display.
July 25, 1969" From http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/WI/WI-idx?type=div&did=WI.JVEarlyHist.i0021&isize=text

"
Our goal this time was JaneBville, Wis., where we were soon settled, and I entered the employ of Dr. 1* K. Hackley, an old druggist, who, by the way, is living yet. in Illinois, being over ninety-four years old. Just opposite our store was the drug store of Orange Williams, afterward the manufacturer of septicide. This was one of the oldest drug stores in the country, and was run by Mr. Kemp, who afterward went to New York and made a million dollars on morphine, and was in the firm of Lanman & Kemp. This was also the home of Tallman ft Collins, who in those days were the leading perfumers of this country. Tallman's musk was the recognized perfume and they took the first prize at the Paris Exposition. I spent many pleasant hours in their laboratory." From http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA564&lpg=PA564&dq=Tallman%20%26%20Collins%20%20Perfumer&sig=qZ_5pBbziRetu2f23WzYkYbXizs&id=HncgAQAAMAAJ&ots=A9wEDOLeAj&output=text

"



[size=-1]Tallman & Collins[/size]
[size=-1]102 S. Cherry[/size]
[size=-1]1857 - Abt. 1900[/size]
[size=-1]perfume manufacturers; later Wm. H. Tallman[/size]

[size=-1]Tallman, Wm. H.[/size]
[size=-1]102 S. Cherry[/size]
[size=-1]1857 - Abt. 1900[/size]
[size=-1]perfume manufacturers; previously Tallman & Collins" From http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wirock/Business/BusJCArt.html[/size]

See here, too: http://images.library.wisc.edu/WI/EFacs/JanesvillesPast/JvilleFour/reference/wi.jvillefour.i0005.pdf

 

[CALDIGR2]

WOW! Where did you find that info, surface? All these years I was thinking that the bottle was from somewhere in CA. Now, I know the REST of the story.

 

[AntiqueMeds]

Tallman & Collins Perfume

One trick for dating is to look for the tax stamps that would have been required when each bottle was sold.
Early perfumes, like patent medicines required tax stamps to show their tax was paid.

Looking around it seems they sold many of their products in the mid 1860s.

http://www.ericjackson.com/auction/results.asp?archives=1&task=search&dbname=auc273&country=UNITED+STATES&category=First+Issue+Revenue+Stamps

 

[AntiqueMeds]

Here are some other Tallman & Collins bottles from Mr Bottles

http://www.mrbottles.com/galleryimage.asp?ID=3712

http://www.mrbottles.com/galleryimage.asp?ID=4034

he doesnt seem to have your variant.

 

[LC]

Definitely an odd top , never seen one like it .

 

[CALDIGR2]

Now that I know it isn't fro the Far West, it's gonna go. Problem is, what can I get for it? One thing's for darned sure, it ain't gonna be a giveaway.

 

[cyberdigger]

You should keep it, Mike. It's a beauty.. I'd be selling part of my own soul if I sold a self-dug gem like that.

 

[surfaceone]

Now that I know it isn't fro the Far West, it's gonna go...

Hey Mike,

You cantankerous Old West purist, you. [8D] I think it gained Far West status when it made the journey, and then was buried in the West.

It's of beautifully unusual form and looks old and unique. What more could one ask for in a bottle, save a simple "San Francisco," or something.

Is your collection so Westerncentric that there is a pending eviction notice on Mr. Tallman? I would imagine that it would do well at some kinda auction.

I know you've had or still have an interest in the "buggers." Were they forced out for wrong side of the Mississippiness?

As a Birthday boon, would you take us on a little cruise of your Westerness, please?