Balto. bottles

[redbeardrelics]

This pit had some other cool items in it besides the Randall & Co. op torpedo. There was a nice green “J.M. Roseberry†slug plate IP pony soda, which was from Alexandria, VA, as well as a very rare (only two known) “J. Grasbinder†stoneware mead or root beer bottle which was from right around the block from where we were digging in south Baltimore. Also in this pit was a nice op. Schenks Pulmonic Syrup with a really crude top, which looked almost like it was applied from a different batch of glass than the rest of the bottle. I believe one of the other forum members may still have this bottle, and I would love to see pictures of it again (hint) ïŠ. There were several large blue & grey stoneware crocks and pitchers in this pit, some of which were later restored, as well as the cool locally thrown slip banded yelloware pitcher.
There were several nice op. Baltimore medicines as well, two sizes of “MaCkenzie & Coâ€, “Stewart’s Pharmacyâ€, “Davis & Miller†rectangles to name a few. One of my favorite finds from this hole were the wide assortment of hand painted china marbles, most of which came out in excellent condition, probably due to the peat moss texture and composition of the night soil. Also of note was the nicely glazed and intact redware handled jug, and little redware ink, along with the normal assortment of smoking pipes, slicks etc.

 

[redbeardrelics]

The “criers†from this hole were also notable. There was a deep reddish puce F&L Schaum Baltimore Glass Works pontiled porter with the top knocked off. An amber-puce Hampton’s V Tincture with a hole in the base, and two J.L Hamptons / Preparationâ€. The J. L Hamilton’s are rare late 1840’s Baltimore medicines that were produced in a variety of cool colors, but only a couple intact examples have ever been found. These two broken ones were in a red puce, and deep amethyst colors..yikes!!

 

[redbeardrelics]

I first heard of the straw yellow TJ Sutton’s Mineral Water op. soda at one of the old York, PA bottle shows at the Fairgrounds. I was advertising for Baltimore pontiled sodas and blob beers at my sales table, and another prominent out of state collector stopped by and said “ you ever seen a yellow Sutton’s?â€. I told him “no, but I sure would like to!â€.

 

[redbeardrelics]

For the next 13 years I kept my eye out for a yellow “TJ Sutton’s/ Mineral Water / Balt // Sâ€, and never heard tell of another, nor had a chance to see the one rumored to exist, in person. I had tried contacting this bottles previous owner on occasion, to see if I could get a photo of it, or come see it in person, but had no luck. I was beginning to doubt that such an early and oddly colored op soda bottle from Baltimore actually existed, until I saw this gentleman had listed a few bottles on eBay. This time when I emailed and asked if he still had the bottle, and if I could get a photo, he replied promptly and sent several photos, and even said if I ever got into his part of the country, I could stop by for a visit and see it in person! Well, I traveled a lot on business then, and quickly arranged to have some “business†in his part of the country.
The bottles owner at that time relayed the story of how he came to own the bottle, and it is story we all hope and dream of. He stated he was at one of the early Baltimore Bottle Shows as a buyer, and just happened to be standing in the right place at the right time when John Q. Public/ Harry Homeowner came into the show carrying this bottle for appraisal that he had found in his home. Harry Homeowner got an appraisal and offer, and both buyer and seller went home very happy.

 

[redbeardrelics]

I doubt the Sutton is a dug bottle, but do not know if it was and attic, crawlspace of wall pocket find? This pontil shot is one of the photos sent to me by the previous owner, and you can see the dust still residing in the bottom of the bottle when I was able to bring it home to my Baltimore assemblage.

 

[redbeardrelics]

Here is a photo of the 1 & 1/8†long crack in the neck. Whether it is an annealing crack there from the day it came out of the oven, or a result of being knocked up against a hard object later in it’s life we will never know, but there is no damage on the exterior to suspect impact, and it is not the type crack I would be concerned about extending over time.

 

[redbeardrelics]

This is still the only yellow Sutton bottle known to exist in any condition. An old friend and fellow collector has the only puce example known, and the two are shown here in one of the side by side photos I took during one of my visits, when we studied and compared the two side by side. This was the only time two TJ Sutton bottles had been under the same roof, since probably the mid 1840’s. I would have loved to have talked my friend into selling me his puce example as well, but the discussions started at 20K and did not progress.
The puce example also appears to be an undug bottle, and exhibits the same weak embossing. Unfortunately, Baltimore has several early pontil era soda bottles with unusually small and weak embossing characteristics. Fortunately, the mold makers learned their lessons from these earliest bottles, and the later molds are usually well embossed. In addition to the Sutton’s, the Randall & Co is also weakly embossed on one side, while on the other side they over compensated, and made a very bold embossing.

 

[JOETHECROW]

Some really nice old glass! Thanks for posting those..

 

[baltbottles]

ORIGINAL: redbeardrelics

This pit had some other cool items in it besides the Randall & Co. op torpedo. There was a nice green “J.M. Roseberry†slug plate IP pony soda, which was from Alexandria, VA, as well as a very rare (only two known) “J. Grasbinder†stoneware mead or root beer bottle which was from right around the block from where we were digging in south Baltimore. Also in this pit was a nice op. Schenks Pulmonic Syrup with a really crude top, which looked almost like it was applied from a different batch of glass than the rest of the bottle. I believe one of the other forum members may still have this bottle, and I would love to see pictures of it again (hint) ïŠ. There were several large blue & grey stoneware crocks and pitchers in this pit, some of which were later restored, as well as the cool locally thrown slip banded yelloware pitcher.
There were several nice op. Baltimore medicines as well, two sizes of “MaCkenzie & Coâ€, “Stewart’s Pharmacyâ€, “Davis & Miller†rectangles to name a few. One of my favorite finds from this hole were the wide assortment of hand painted china marbles, most of which came out in excellent condition, probably due to the peat moss texture and composition of the night soil. Also of note was the nicely glazed and intact redware handled jug, and little redware ink, along with the normal assortment of smoking pipes, slicks etc.

Looks like this was a fun dig.

Chris

 

[RICKJJ59W]

ORIGINAL: Penn Digger

Rick,

I thought that your bottle never made it to the tumbler? We'll never know the truth?

PD

Nope thanx for bringing that face back into my mind tom.Even if this is an old thread [] what a jerk.The guy said he would send me a bottle in the mail.When was the Baltimore sown? I will never see any compensation for "his screw up" or was it? like you said.
Bad vibes from that dude. I dont care if St peter and the pope liked him I dont.

Next Balto show I wont be so kind with my words. I am like a elephant I never forget. sorry about the rambling. Sore subject. How could you be such a bick?