EARLIEST OWENS-ILLINOIS SODA BOTTLE MARK (NON-ACL)

[SODAPOPBOB]

madman ~

Thanks ... and duly noted.

And as a reminder to everyone who takes an interest in this topic ...

I will consider this thread a success if even one "confirmed" 1929 Owens-Illinois bottle can be found. It may require some additional research, (like madman just produced regarding his Variety Cub) but it will at least confirm or refute the claim that ... "Some Owens-Illinois bottles were produced as early as April 20, 1929."

Even a "confirmed" 1930 would make this country boy happy.

Thanks again.

Bob

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Here's the quote and link to the primary source where I found the reference to the April 20, 1929 date.

"The mark (#269,225) was registered on April 1, 1930, and the company claimed first use on April 20, 1929." (Creswick 1987:154).

Note: I know nothing about this Creswick guy, or his 1987 book ... page 154.

Unless it's a typo and they meant to say April 20, 1930.

But I do know of cases where some designs/logos were sometimes used before they were offically registered.

Link:
http://www.sha.org/research_resources/newsletter_articles/lockhart.cfm[/align]

Scroll down to the title that starts with ... Common Owens-Illinois Marks. Quote is in first paragraph.

Bob

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

P.S. ~

But if official records prove that Owens and Illinois merged in 1929, why would they wait until 1930 to start producing bottles with the new <(I)> mark?

Bob

 

[StLouBrew]

Hi Bob,
Unsure about the date on this one?

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

St ~

What is the number on the right? Is it a zero or a six? And is there a dot with it?

Thanks.

Bob

 

[StLouBrew]

The number on right is a 0 and there is no dot.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Saint ~

Fantastic! It's a solid candidate for either a 1930 or 1940 bottle.

Let's research the brand and see what turns up. Please post "everything" embossed on the bottle.

Thanks.

Bob

 

[StLouBrew]

The bottle is embossed Missouri on front and 3067-R on the rear near the base. And Missouri Soda St. Louis Mo. Cap. 1PT. 7 FL.OZ on the bottom.

 

[Wheelah23]

With the Hutter closure, I would say that one is 1930. I think it was mostly dead by 1940 or earlier. I have an embossed 1927 soda with the Hutter closure.

I don't really collect machine made stuff, but I think I have some ABM things around. I will look on the dates for them.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Wheelah23 ~

Please note where Saint said the same Missouri name was also on the "cap." (closure). Which, according to your evidence, adds one more point in favor of Saint's bottle being 1930. So far so good.

Let's see what (if anything) turns up on the brand itself.

Thanks again,

Bob