Thanks, yeah I have that picture on my phone to help me sort the years when I am out looking at jars. I am guessing the first jar i posted is a ball, yet there is nothing embossed on it that says Ball. The logo looks similar to the Ball logo in the diagram you posted but its not the same../
The logo on your first jar is CFJ Co. - Consolidated Fruit Jar Co. Actually predates Ball by a few years. Appears to be a midget pint? (pint size, small opening). If that's a nice lugged lid, it books for $25-$35. Second one is a packer jar, one side should be blank for the label. Generally used for coffee, sometimes something else. Not really worth much of anything without a label. -Tammy