New beer bottle closure discovered: Morgenstern

[willong]

Nice bottle, not to mention the research "go with."

 

[cor3y7]

Nice detective work and great looking item!

 

[604Greg]

Awesome and good investigation on the history from you for the rest of us!

 

[ronkusa]

Great find, nice work!

 

[blobtop]

Here are two bottles from the same brewer

Valentine Loewer shown in the original post in this thread. The larger one is embossed with Lager Bier and the smaller embossed with Weiss Bier. The Lager has the Morgenstern closure as shown in the patent drawing above. The smaller has fragments of a closure similar to the one that started this thread. It seems Loewer used both stoppers. The research I have seems to indicate that the evolution from one to the other was the reverse of the speculation in the above comments in this thread. It shows the closure on the Weiss Bier was dated 1873 and the one on the Lager Bier was dated 1874. At this stage we can only speculate on the relative strength and convenience of each design.

 

[hemihampton]

Not sure I ever seen those type of Closures, real oddball looking. Thanks for the Pics. LEON.

 

[Skoda]

Here are two bottles from the same brewer View attachment 221413View attachment 221414View attachment 221415Valentine Loewer shown in the original post in this thread. The larger one is embossed with Lager Bier and the smaller embossed with Weiss Bier. The Lager has the Morgenstern closure as shown in the patent drawing above. The smaller has fragments of a closure similar to the one that started this thread. It seems Loewer used both stoppers. The research I have seems to indicate that the evolution from one to the other was the reverse of the speculation in the above comments in this thread. It shows the closure on the Weiss Bier was dated 1873 and the one on the Lager Bier was dated 1874. At this stage we can only speculate on the relative strength and convenience of each design.

Wow, this is incredible to see! Thank you for posting these. I can totally see the other version as being a potential improvement with how sturdy that single bent metal band looks. Very very cool that both versions went into some degree of production and were used by this brewer over such a relatively short period of time.

 

[blobtop]

I don't remember where I found the bottles, but I try to collect different closure types. It's great we have this web page to share our discoveries!