western tooled fifth enclosure

[NorCalBottleHunter]

I'd say I am still a pretty novice collector, there is a lot of stuff I still haven't seen, this being one of them. I've seen this enclosure on many a beer, but not a whiskey! Is it just me, or is this odd to anyone else?

Jesse More-Hunt

she's a little bit lighter and some what of a different shape then the other Moore-Hunt I have

 

[epackage]

I am no expert but that just doesn't seem correct in my opinion, I hope I'm wrong because I love having original parts on my bottles as everyone here knows....Jim

 

[Digswithstick]

NorCal ,that is a very interesting closure ,i have not seen that either but am novice collector as well . Is there indentations on lip for bail wire ends to fit in ?

 

[Lordbud]

It was fairly common for different bottlers to reuse whatever appropriate-sized bottles they could find. It looks like this former whiskey bottle was commandeered by California Bottling Co. of San Francisco whose business was bottling beer of course.[8|]

 

[stumpknocker]

Lightning-type swing closures were most popular on beer and many soda bottles but were used on all types of bottle. I even have a milk bottle with a Lightning closure.

http://www.sha.org/bottle/closures.htm#Lightning

 

[stumpknocker]

Top of closure

 

[NorCalBottleHunter]

commandeered????? how could you commandeer a bottle for your own use when it's embossed the way it is? with bourbon and rye.... a beer company? hmmmm...... A thought did come to mind, I didn't dig the bottle, so maybe some joker who owned it before me thought it would be cool or funny to put that stopper on there? Now I am starting to get curious, a beer company...

 

[ajohn]

I know on jars one can tell if a closure is original by looking at the twist where the wire is attached to the vessel.If it is original,there will be at least three very tight twists,and will be "laying" flat against the glass.Also,because of it's age there will be a little rust residue on the glass where the metal meets the glass.Hope that helps out.

 

[CALDIGR2]

Nick, that's not the correct closure for the Jesse Moore. The bottle was reused by other persons and a Cal Bottling beer stopper, including bail, was used to seal it. I have seen these bottles filled with homemade ketchup and other household condiments. I once found 17 various beer and whiskey bottles filled with tomato ketchup in a house in Davis. All had the wire bail and Hutter's patent stopper pirated from Buffalo Brewing beer bottles.

 

[NorCalBottleHunter]

I'm still blown away, thanks Mike and Jason, and all others. So, now the question is.... leave it on or take it off?