Are the GI 95 and 97 and the GII 52, historical flasks the oldest made?

[Steve/sewell]

The Franklin Flask with no embosing is old, very old Dyott advertised his version in 1824 and again in 1826.
He purchased the entire out puts of the Olive,Gloucester,and the Union glass works begining in 1814 according to advertisments
in local papers which I have my possesion and have shown before here at the forum.Franklin Flasks were offered for sale
in the Bridgeton Observer Newspaper in 1812.I have seen this at the Cumberland count historical society on micro film.
Adeline Pepper an early glass and particularly new jersey early glass expert and collector had the actuall newspaper from 1812.
I beleive the Franklin quart GI-97 was made very early in a New Jersey glass works.
If you saw and held the flask in person you would see my rationale.When comparing the two side by side
The flask that I say is older reaks of early Jersey green aqua in color.As for the longevity of early heros the people of the colonial days
were no different than the folks of today in regaurds to political affiliation and how they thought which direction was better.
You have to remember just under half of the population during the revolutionary were loyal to the British.Dont think for a moment that
once the war was over bygones would be bygones.Established familys that were good honest hard working people and played by the rules
lost all of their personal possesions and left for England to escape ridicule and fear for their very lives.I do agree with you Jeff that the heros of that era
had more staying power but just like today they had their detractors all along.For the most part my theorys on when flasks were issued
is pretty solid.The newspapers of the day had a huge role in what was deemed important and of great interest.All of you have brought up good points in the flag flasks origons and dates of manufacture.Ill always accept privy dug dating techniques as pretty accurate.The Mckearins though were wrong about the Franklin flask being the same mold for the GI-96 and 97 When you compare them side by side they are quite different.A newspaper advertising them for sale in 1812 is good enough proof to me that the Franklin Flasks existed at that time
Mike, Lafayette flasks were offered by Dyott in 1824 The GI-90 and 91.I have the GI-91 and will post pictures when my back heals from all the shoveling of the last week.I dont feel like rumaging through the attic this evening but I promise I will pull it out.

 

[cyberdigger]

I love this forum!

 

[earlyglass]

Steve,

Yes, you are correct about the GI-90 and GI-91! My bad... I had New England on the mind! Dyott did some very early molded glass, probably the earliest of the medicine bottles with the Robertson's Family Medicine, so I am sure they produced some very early flasks as well... question is HOW early?

Mike

 

[Steve/sewell]

The key here Mike is Dyott and when he became an owner of an actual works.
According to historical records Dyott did not own the Kennsington Glass works
officially till 1825.He was obviously in the glass retail business long before that
as you stated the Robertsons family medicines were some of the earliest American
made bottles.Once again the color on the few that you and I have seen is unmistakingly
early Sothern New Jersey green aqua.One of the other bottles which I have in abundance
are very early Turlington bottles these were listed in as early as 1813 in Newspapers
I have in my possesion by Dyott.The revolutionary war killed all of the famous early glass houses
in the Mid Atlantic.The Wistars,Stiegel,Amelung,the Stangers at Glasshouse New jersey
all were put out of business in some fashion by the hardships of that war.The only one
left standing was the Stangers which changed ownership and became Heston and Carpenter.
These works were very sucessfull and were for a twenty year period the only game in town.
They too changed ownership through mortality attrition and became the Olive Glass works in
1808.Edward carpenter became the owner when his father Thomas Carpenter retired to run a tavern.
Edward died young and in 1816 his father reinherited the works but sold them to David Wolf.
It was David Wolf that established the complete business relationship with Dr. Dyott and later that year Dyott
advertised he was the sole agent for the works.I beleive these works for the better part of twenty
years were the makers of some of the first embossed medicines in this country and were already
selling bottles to Dyott long before he became their official sole agent. I really feel this Franklin flask
originated here and Dyott aquired it through his business relationship with the works

 

[kungfufighter]

Franklin Flasks were offered for sale
in the Bridgeton Observer Newspaper in 1812.I have seen this at the Cumberland count historical society on micro film.
Adeline Pepper an early glass and particularly new jersey early glass expert and collector had the actuall newspaper from 1812.

Love to see a copy of this.

 

[Steve/sewell]

Here is a little history about Dr. Dyotts involvement with three Southern New Jersey glass works.
Jeff as soon as the weather and my work schedule permit me I ll try and get down to the
historical society of Cumberland county.

 

[Steve/sewell]

Page two.

 

[Steve/sewell]

Dr.Dyott makes his move to purchase the entire output of the Olive glass works..

 

[Steve/sewell]

Dr.Dyott purchases all of the Gloucester and the Union Glass Works of Port Elizabeth.

 

[Steve/sewell]

The last page Benjamin franklin flasks like these were advertised in the Bridgeton Observer in 1815