saratogadriver
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Staffords style ink. Not ABM even though the seam goes up to the lip. Turn of century. Don't think I've seen a cobalt one that wasn't staffords but I could be wrong.
Jim G
Jim G
ABM? Turn of the century? Early 1900’s?Staffords style ink. Not ABM even though the seam goes up to the lip. Turn of century. Don't think I've seen a cobalt one that wasn't staffords but I could be wrong.
Jim G
Not ABM? It's got a suction scar on the base, are you referring to it being one made on one of the early semi-automatic machines? I'm not sure how to recognize bottles made on those.Staffords style ink. Not ABM even though the seam goes up to the lip. Turn of century. Don't think I've seen a cobalt one that wasn't staffords but I could be wrong.
Jim G
Thank you! And thank you for writing out the terminology! I’m still learning. This bottle is now one of my favorites!Pretty much all the Staffords of that form have a base that looks like that, even the ones with a definite tooled lip. I've seen that form only rarely in fully automatic bottle machine (ABM) and they always have the Owens Ring around the neck. I'm pretty sure that's still a tooled lip hand blown despite the base. Turn of Century = roughly 1890 to 1910. ABM was invented around 1905, so after TOC.
The in-between style semi automatic bottle machines? I know I can't absolutely recognize one of those. Wish Red who used to be on here was still with us. He'd be able to tell us what to look for, he was in the business for decades.
Jim G
Look at where the seam of the ink bottle goes if it thru the lip or top of bottle it after 1904.The bottle bottom is called key bottom mold.This means the bottle bottom was included in the iron mold back before 1900 on 2 piece molds.Nice findDo these pictures help?
Looking at this photo that Shellbay posted, I'm pretty sure that's not a tooled lip considering how high the seam goes. It's funny, it looks a lot more like a tooled lip from other angles. And I think I see what you mean about an Owens ring around the neck, there's some sort of uneven ring visible in this picture.Pretty much all the Staffords of that form have a base that looks like that, even the ones with a definite tooled lip. I've seen that form only rarely in fully automatic bottle machine (ABM) and they always have the Owens Ring around the neck. I'm pretty sure that's still a tooled lip hand blown despite the base. Turn of Century = roughly 1890 to 1910. ABM was invented around 1905, so after TOC.
The in-between style semi automatic bottle machines? I know I can't absolutely recognize one of those. Wish Red who used to be on here was still with us. He'd be able to tell us what to look for, he was in the business for decades.
Jim G