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    Quote Originally Posted by hemihampton View Post
    Example of Pepsi on Beer Bottle. It was for this reason, Pepsi putting there Product in a 12 oz bottle that it was able to outsell Coke for the first time. Since you were now able to get 12 oz for 5 cents compared to Cokes 6 oz for 5 cents. LEON.
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    Oh interesting, I stand corrected then. I won't be dismissing a Pepsi label on a beer bottle automatically in the future then. Do you know how long they kept the beer bottles? I'm guessing until they introduced the clear swirl bottles? Wikipedia lists 1936 as the date when they introduced the 12oz bottles, not sure if that's true or not. I'm not sure when they introduced those generic green beer bottles but I think it was a while later than that.

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    Thanks for the response fellas, great to have you all participating!.. Spirit Bear thanks for that info, I never have studied this as in-depth as you so I don't really know all the terminology
    I'm going to provide some more examples so we can see what to look for, and yes 10X loupe is essential to have. I did the best I could using my camera on my phone for close up photos.

    First up I'll show you these two Crush labels form the 80's that exhibit these organized dots in specific areas. Another thing to watch for is 'Registration' marks, this is the specific area where one color overlaps onto another leaving a darker line or a varied shade depending on colors.
    Just to note that these are authentic labels and I'm quite sure they would look much different as copied labels. Sorry about that upside down one!

    I will post some more labels tomorrow from the late 20's-30's era, and one in specific I'd like to show is a 75th anniversary Canada dry label because it was made to look older than it is.


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    And now you can clearly see the organised dots used to complete the images, and along the green you can see the registration marks.
    I believe in the darker orange area the dots are larger and basically connect, as they move down and the shading becomes lighter the dots decrease in size.
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    And this is another example showing the same characteristics as the label above.
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    Next up lets look at some 1970-71 labels. In this case the dots are used just for the purpose of solid shading and do not change in size.
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    In this section I'm not sure those are really dots, as it is the darker color over the lighter one and leaves behind a dot pattern.
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    Ok here is a Canada Dry 75th anniversary label from 1979

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    This is the only place on the entire label that used any dots, I suppose it was to give it tone.
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    Next up I have a mid to late 1960's Coke NDNR label for a 26oz bottle. This example has no dots what so ever. I'm going to include a 1950's cancelled Coke cheque, pretty much the same thing as a label printed using lithography. And I have a real cool Natural Set Up label to show.

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    When you view these labels up close you can see in many of the examples the lines are not perfect by any means.
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    I just love this label!...I believe this would be 1940's era.
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    Not much for dots on this one...just in the upper lettering and on the dice. Interesting to see this same use of them on an earlier label as on a early 70's label.
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    If you really examine this carefully you can see the registration marks through the gold print, and where the red lines run through lettering it shows much darker.
    These are features that a modern laser printer wont produce.

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    Here are some labels I picked up last year at auction, all authentic NOS! I'm just going to show a couple shots each of 2 labels here.
    I went and did some test copies of a couple labels I'll show later on, it's a good way to see how inkjet will print them out compared to originals.

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    Not quite dots used here. I have another example of this 1920's label but it's not quite as refined as this one, some labels up close are actually pretty sloppy looking, and in some cases the labels are just poorly done.
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    Once again the white field is clean, copied label would be speckled with dots.
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    I love this Silver Tip ginger ale label !... These originals were very well made.
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    Nice bottles. Are all of those Canada Dry labels from 1979? Was this label ever used before that? I have one as well. Mine has a wine stopper finish.
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    Ok here is a Canada Dry 75th anniversary label from 1979

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    This is the only place on the entire label that used any dots, I suppose it was to give it tone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pooroldcancollector View Post
    Nice bottles. Are all of those Canada Dry labels from 1979? Was this label ever used before that? I have one as well. Mine has a wine stopper finish.
    I'm not sure what you mean by 'wine stopper finish'? I assume your referring to your bottle?

    A similar style was used all through out the 20's, 30's and 40's. This is a replica of an original label that had the beaver on it, this was short lived because the beaver was already in use by another famous company (Canadian Pacific Rail) and this caused some trademark conflict so it was removed. I've seen an advertisement from 1916 and it no longer appeared on the label.
    JJ McLaughlin (1904-1923) changed hands in 1923 and became Canada Dry Ginger Ale Inc. (1923-1986) By the 1930's JJ no longer appeared on labels.

    This was the primary label from the 20's, 30's and 40's, and of course the early 20's for sure had the JJ McLaughlin displayed, and by 1951 the 'shield' label was in use.

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    These are both quarts, brown is dated 1947, and this is the 75th label on an original bottle.
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    Here are two 12oz bottles, 1930's -1940's and the shield style is from 1953. There are some small label variations on the 30's-40's label mainly to do with the 'Canada Dry' font style. I'm pretty sure I have enough samples to compare to any labels in the future that may be suspect copies.
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    A little off subject but, there are a whole lot of reproduction Jumbo Peanut butter jar lids, being sold claiming to be " New old stock " as well. They are NOT !

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    Ok here is what I pulled off on my cheap little home printer, now I realize the quality is poor but it starts to give you an idea what can be done. If you had a nice $300-400 printer they'd start to come out pretty good.

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    Copy- from a distance it looks great!..but once you move in close it looses detail. A high quality printer may get better colour and finer detail but it will still have those tiny dots seen in the white part of the mountain scene.
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    Here is the test copy of the original label in question (English version), again with similar results the white field ends up littered with dots. This pretty much concludes this little study of copied labels. Sadly these are still being sold on ebay as I type this, I did also note there was a NOS French version for sale...it's just the large label with no neck tag, the photos of it aren't perfect but just enough to qualify it as original....I would still like to have one in my collection as a reference.

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    This is the copy from smaller neck label.
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    And the NOS original neck label.
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    Copy section from the large label.
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    And the NOS large label.
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