Cross & Co. Vancouver B.C. 1894-1963

[Canadacan]

Thanks Bob...I have looked through those via a different website viewer, but the one's you posted from the University of Alberta have a much nicer viewer! I'm going to have a look again...but from what I can tell not even a name pops up...(no pun intended[]).His name may be tied in on a Gazette for legal and business dealings or notice of sorts. And again on my newest ACL with the red cross it has the 'Since 1894'...that bottle is dated 1958, so at that time that's the information they had. Also the bottle itself is design reg. 1956 so that would be the earliest you'd see that ACL.Is it entirely possible they were misinformed?...I mean they are only off by two years.

 

[Canadacan]

And I thought I'd show a family photo of the three Cross & Co. ACL's together. The green glass with the red cross was their dedicated Ginger Ale bottle. To date the only other ACL I know of was on the Black bear Brand GA bottle. [attachment=Cross & Co. family.jpg]

 

[Canadacan]

So here is something I never knew or have never seen before..that I can remember. One is obviously the Cross bottle the other is the Polar Aerated Water Works that I had posted on my Calgary thread. It's basically a semi generic ACL?! Is that weird or what[:-]...so I assume Dominion glass had a catalog with some basic outline designs to choose from?But it doesn't make sense to me because it's like a copyright infringement. Any body ever see something like this? [attachment=Cross & Co. with Polar1.jpg]

 

[CanadianBottles]

I really like those two new Cross bottles! Never knew either of those existed, though figured a green Since 1894 bottle was likely as a lot of bottlers at that time had a seldom-used green version.The Double Header one is really weird though. Generic ACL's must have been a thing, we've already established that with finding an almost exact copy of my Canora Beverages bottle from another bottler. But I don't know why they would both say Double, that's just weird. Especially since they operated in different provinces so wouldn't need to compete with each other; most Calgarians had probably never even heard of Cross & Co. As for whether it's copyright infringement that would only count if they'd trademarked the name, which they might not have, plus they would be very unlikely to bother seeking legal action if the company wasn't infringing on their local market share. Something else I just noticed is that the Calgary label has a much cruder design than the Vancouver one. Maybe Polar got the old label designs after Cross was done with them? Not sure why they would have kept the word Double though if they had to change the label anyway.

 

[Canadacan]

Yea your probably right about the copyright thing...two totally different markets so far apart. The Calgary one has a very tiny font style on the bottom, almost like it was penciled in. Both bottles predate the letter date code system...they are identical embossed 8 <D> 8I think these were like a 7up style citrus drink....the Calgary one being obvious. Could it have been some national company short lived maybe?... that provided syrup for this drink and allowed the local bottler to personalize the bottle?Here is a picture of the base. It is weird and mysterious!...I love a good mystery....or better yet in the words of William...'Is that weird or what'[] [attachment=double drink-base.jpg]

 

[Canadacan]

I made an incredible discovery today!...now it dose not solve the Double Header drink mystery this only adds to it!I almost picked this bottle up from the Goodwood connection but passed as the price was to high.A close examination reveals some very intriguing detail [:-] [attachment=Hub beverages, Sask..JPG]

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

1899[attachImg]https://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/download.axd?file=0;666904&where=message&f=Cross D.G..jpeg[/attachImg] 1896[attachImg]https://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/download.axd?file=1;666904&where=message&f=Cross G D --1896.jpeg[/attachImg] This newspaper snippet raises more questions than it provides answers, but it at least puts us closer to the 1894 date. From ... The Vancouver Daily World ~ Vancouver, B.C., Canada ~ September 6, 1895 I'm currently researching the name Gavin Dalziel Cross, but all I have found so far is that he died in 1932

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

P.S. I have decided to bite the bullet and pay the $27.00 to upgrade my subscription on Ancestry.com so as to include international (Canadian) listings, which hopefully will give us with some answers related to G.D. Cross and J.D. Cross. I don't have time this morning to do a full search, but should have something by this time tomorrow.

 

[Canadacan]

That brings Cross one year closer!......It is somewhat of challenge to follow hey!....thanks for the hard work[]I've just had a minor breakthrough and it's been sitting right there in front of us ...I suppose fresh eyes and mind help this morning...no brain overload yet[]Ok have a close look at that 1899 snippet...can't believe I missed it before..Cross, D.G., emp. Vancouver Soda water works. emp. is empoyee!!!! So Cross worked for the Meikle Bros.Vancouver Soda Water Works?...I guess so.....but the way directories list people back at that time it can make things confusing!

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Here's a little teaser I found for Gavin Dalziel Cross from Scotland in 1883 ...