EARLIEST "CROWN TOP" SODA BOTTLES 1892 - 1900

[celerycola]

Bob, I have tried to correct you when you are wrong. Yet you often choose to disregard the facts when they do not support your speculation.

I understand as well as anyone how difficult it is to research these old companies. No one is demanding that you produce facts, only that you don't blur the line between facts and speculation. Your comments below are a good start: "I wasn't the one who said" and "Nor am I certain if that information is correct." That helps to qualify your statements at the top of this page.

Again, I will not get into a shootout with you. I think you're a good guy and I share your enthusiasm every time you find a new gem of information. I only hope that anyone who comes by this page in the future knows they shouldn't believe everything they read on the internet.

celery ~

I guess its a case of certain members, including yourself, of often asking for specific facts when they themselves cannot produce them and then accuse me of posting misleading information. If facts were at our fingertips and easily found, then there would be no need for this forum where members come to seek help in determining various aspects of soda bottle collecting, including dates, values, etc. Please correct me if I am wrong, but your comments lead me to believe that you do not know when Mayfield's Celery-Cola first appeared in a Crown closure bottle. And if you don't know, then please just say so instead of putting the ball back in my court with unrelated topics. Surely you do not deny there is a connection of some kind between Robert Portner Brewing and Mayfield's Celery-Cola?

By the way, I wasn't the one who said ...

1894 - "The brewing company begins using Crown closures."

Nor am I certain if that information is correct - but I trust the individual who stated it enough to look into as a possible clue / lead that might develop into more accurate information and confirmation. No "conspiracy theories" on my part, but rather just a everyday bottle collector doing some research.

Bob

 

[zecritr]

So from what you both posted,I read that there might be a bottle with a crown closure from that date of 1894

The company began using the bottle cap in 1894-1895 but may not have switched to it entirely until 1901-1903,

it may not have been in full use but looks like a limited use was or is a possibility.

or am i reading that wrong?

 

[OsiaBoyce]

In this corner we have that 'West Coast Speculator' SOOOOOOOOOOOOODAPOPBOOOOOOOOOB

In the opposing corner we have 'Wrote a Dozen Books Dennis' aka celerrrrrrrrrryyyyyyycola.

Mean and nasty me will be sitting this one out..................................

At the sound of the bell come out w/ your best references................

 

[cyberdigger]

Sorry guys, I had to remove a toxic link from this thread, it almost crashed my hard drive..!

 

[celerycola]

Do you mean an 1894 Celery-Cola crown bottle? An 1894 Portner Brewing crown bottle? Or any crown bottle from 1894? IMHO I would answer these questions in order: no, possibly, definitely. No on an 1894 Celery-Cola crown bottle (or any Celery-Cola bottle since that drink did not exist in 1894). Maybe on an 1894 Portner bottle since the information we have is a quote of a quote without knowing the original source. And definitely on an 1894 crown bottle from somewhere since the crown was invented in 1892 and logically there are bottles out there.

If someone has contradictory or clarifying information please share it.

ORIGINAL: zecritr

So from what you both posted,I read that there might be a bottle with a crown closure from that date of 1894

The company began using the bottle cap in 1894-1895 but may not have switched to it entirely until 1901-1903,

it may not have been in full use but looks like a limited use was or is a possibility.

or am i reading that wrong?

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

Despite the controversy, I have already accomplished what I set out to do - which is to draw attention to a possible 1894 Crown-top bottle (soda and/or beer) that would predate the 1895 Murdock & Freeman bottle we already know about. Ideally, I would like to find a soda bottle as early as 1892-93-94, but so far there is no bona fide evidence of there ever being one that early. Thus, my reason for jumping on the Robert Portner wagon to see what might come up related to it. It doesn't hurt to take a closer look and, as I have said numerous times, especially if it results in finding a pre 1895 Crown bottle. And just because William Painter invented the Crown closure in 1892, that doesn't necessarily mean there are Crown bottles from that year. Logic may suggest there is, but it's facts the folks really want and not speculation. I have even contacted the "Bottle Research Group" (BRG) which is spearheaded by Bill Lockhart, Bill Lindsey, Carol Serr and others, and even they are not certain when the first Crown bottle was produced. In fact, at one point they asked me to keep them posted in the event I came up with anything substantial, which is exactly what I am attempting to do now ... but I need a little help like the valuable information that epackage recently provided us with.

Bob

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

I'll say one thing about my recent research, it led to my finding this ...

http://www.chosi.org/bottles/finley/finley.htm

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

And here's the 1895 Murdock & Freeman bottle again ...

 

[T D]

Run, Forrest, run...

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

T D ~

Thanks for the pic. But let's not jump to conclusions just yet about finding a bunch of 1894 Crown-top bottles. The jury is still out and I'm sure someone will remind us they are not soda bottles but beer bottles. But that's okay with me because at this point a Crown is a Crown is a Crown. And if you really want to make me run for the record books, please come up with either a 1892 or 1893 Crown bottle - beer or soda - it don't matter which.

Bob