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EARLIEST "CROWN TOP" SODA BOTTLES 1892 - 1900

SODABOB

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Thanks, Bruce

As you probably know, some bottlers used Hutchinson bottles well into the 1920s. So it isn't surprising that the Willms brothers were possibly one of those bottlers. But what is surprising are their blob-top bottles. Its hard to imagine they used that type of bottle in the 1910s and 1920s - although I suppose its possible. By the way, does the finish (lip) on your Willms bottle appear to have been applied after it was originally made? And is it hand-blown or machine made?

Check this one out - which is embossed with "Weiss Beer" and has what appears to be a "groove" between the neck and finish. I found two of these, but don't have an explanation for either of them.

Willms Bros. Weiss Beer Bottle.jpg
 

shotdwn

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From the looks of weiss beer bottle picture with a groove like that under the top you would think the whole top of the bottle would snap off when you were trying to remove the cap.
 

SODABOB

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BrentC

Thanks for sharing your "Non Corkable" bottle. I'm still researching it, but haven't found anything specific yet. I have only been able to find one other example of it. I suspect they are extremely rare. In David Graci's book "Soda and Beer Bottle Closures 1850-1910" the maker is listed as "Unknown." If we can find a patent for it, that will give us some dates to work with, as well as some other helpful information. Do you happen to know if it is hand-blown or machine made?
 
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SODABOB

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shotdwn

I agree - weird - I'm still looking for others like it, and hopefully some answers as to when it was made and why it has a groove. The only explanation I can think of at the moment is that the groove was for a wire attached to a cork. ???
 

SODABOB

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BrentC

According to this news article, the Sterilized Beer Bottling Co. (Carbondale, Pa.) was established in 1904. Which suggest that your "Non Corkable" bottle was made in 1904 or later. I'm also attaching an article from 1905 that provides some names for future research. They also used a Hutch bottle - although those were typically used for soda and not beer. Your bottle appears to be hand-blown - which was still being done in 1904-05

Sterilized Beer Bottling Co. Charter_The_Carbondale_Leader_Penn_Fri__Feb_12__1904.jpg


Sterilized Bottling Co._The_Carbondale_Leader_Penn_Wed__Sep_20__1905.jpg


Sterilized Bottling Hutch Carbondale, Pa..jpg
 

BrentC

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BrentC

According to this news article, the Sterilized Beer Bottling Co. (Carbondale, Pa.) was established in 1904. Which suggest that your "Non Corkable" bottle was made in 1904 or later. I'm also attaching an article from 1905 that provides some names for future research. They also used a Hutch bottle - although those were typically used for soda and not beer. Your bottle appears to be hand-blown - which was still being done in 1904-05

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Thank you for the information. This gives me a great starting point for further research.

Brent
 

SODABOB

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Brent

I did a little research on your Martin Gerchman bottle from Forest City, Pennsylvania, and the earliest date I can find for the company is 1907. The information I found is a little confusing, but the company apparently had some connection with the Krantz Brewery and the Zeller Bottling Works - both of which were located in the Forest City area. If I find anything more specific, I will let you know.
 

SODABOB

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Here's another one of those weird Willms Bros. bottles - but still no explanation about the groove. Unlike the bottle I posted earlier that was straight-sided, this one has a hex shaped base. It was described as being ABM (Automatic Bottling Machine) and having an "elongated" Crown

Willms Bottle Described ABM and Elongated Crown.jpg
 

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