EARLIEST "CROWN TOP" SODA BOTTLES 1892 - 1900

[celerycola]

I like those dated Hutches.

ORIGINAL: epackage

Here's how I know it was for 5 more years...

 

[web44ca]

Thought it would be a good comparison to show the two bottoms together ... now ... what is the "nipple" on the crown top?

 

[web44ca]

Thanks Jim ... your hutch dated photo provides a clear & better understanding into the many exceptions to the rule that regional production provided ... without the amazing photo ... wouldn't believe the hutchinsons were produced in the 20th cent.

 

[cowseatmaize]

ORIGINAL: web44ca

Appreciate your comments especially that it may have been produced in Europe ... my crown top beer has been ID. as being used by A. Keiths brewery in Halifax Nova Scotia ... during recent construction at the brewery site... shards & whole bottles have been found identiical to mine.

Here is a 1860's 3-piece mold liquor with what might be the bare iron pontil mark ???

Again, sorry. That's more like a scottish whiskey from the same 1910-20 or even later. They look old as the hills but aren't.

 

[celerycola]

Two Birmingham bottlers: National Dope Company started in 1909 and Birmingham Bottling Company started in 1911 used Hutches alongside crowns. One of the Birmingham Bottling Company Hutches has contents embossed to comply with the Gould Amendment indicating 1914 or later. Jefferson County Bottling Works reportedly used them as late as 1918 and one of their bottles has a seam at the top of the blob indicating a machine made bottle.

ORIGINAL: web44ca

Thanks Jim ... your hutch dated photo provides a clear & better understanding into the many exceptions to the rule that regional production provided ... without the amazing photo ... wouldn't believe the hutchinsons were produced in the 20th cent.

 

[web44ca]

first off ... expert doesn't apply to me ... I have some knowledge on the late Victorian French figurals ... had enough passion to produce a website on them ... very little knowledge on American figurals & nothing on sports related figurals.

Had a look at the Noble Catcher figural ... first impression ... the basic form & detail characteristics looks more European than American ... the base & bottom look French & certainly frosted French figurals are common ... sheared finish not that common except for candy containers & lay down perfumes.

The baseball player must be a figural wine bottle holder??? amazing clarity ... you must have the new 36.8mp. Nikon???

 

[surfaceone]

ORIGINAL: web44ca

Thought it would be a good comparison to show the two bottoms together ... now ... what is the "nipple" on the crown top?

Hey Ron,

It's a Mamelon. Thanks for your thoughts on that Catcher figural.

"Mamelon - The following description of a mamelon is from Jones & Sullivan (1989): "A rounded eminence, a small circular protrusion found on the basal surface, usually at the tip of the pushup. These may be a type of vent mark...On champagne bottles the mamelon is large and protuberant." Click mamelon base for a picture of a early 20th century wine bottle that shows a mamelon in the center of the base. As noted, it is thought by some that the mamelon acted as an early form of air venting which facilitated the exit of the hot gases around the expanding bottle and allowed for a quicker and better "fit" of the hot glass to the sides of the mold (Boow 1991). The line between a mamelon and an embossed dot in the middle of an indented base (a common bottle base feature) is vague, although a mamelon would be more protrusive than a typical embossed dot, though both are formed the same way (by molding); mamelons are uncommonly encountered on free-blown and dip-molded bottles (Jones 1986)." From.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

This is an update regarding my ongoing search for which "major brand" of soda pop was the first to use a crown closure. Both Hires and Moxie were contenders, but I have never been able to confirm this. And even thought the following needs more research before labeling it as the earliest, it is a pretty good indicator that "Vernor's Ginger Ale" of Detroit, Michigan opened their first bottling plant in 1896, and that their first bottles were "most likely" crowns. If/when I ever find one of their early bottle, I will be sure to post it here.

SPB

Vernor's ... 1896 ... bottling plant

Here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=HQdTa9ZXlVAC&pg=PA94&lpg=PA94&dq=vernor's+bottling&source=bl&ots=BTmjeO3PU4&sig=KQddZXGCBtrhCSN42qM_EBcSneQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tY5OUO2jIseq2gWqoICACA&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=vernor's%20bottling&f=false

 

[celerycola]

Here's two more:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1895-RICE-BROS-HUTCHINSON-HUTCH-SODA-BOTTLE-/180971897817?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a22c403d9

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Murdock-Freeman-Soda-Bottle-Portland-ME-1892-/120984951634?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c2b43db52

ORIGINAL: celerycola

I like those dated Hutches.

ORIGINAL: epackage

Here's how I know it was for 5 more years...

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

celery ~

The Murdock & Freeman reminds me of these posted previously by Sam_MaineBottles ...

[ Transition / Both 1895 / Blob and Crown ]