EARLIEST OWENS-ILLINOIS SODA BOTTLE MARK (NON-ACL)

[SODAPOPBOB]

RE: Here's your Missing Link from 1930

bottle-O ~

Good job! That falls right in sinc with Morb's article which is dated September 20, 1934.

Thanks.

SPB

 

[Wheelah23]

RE: Here's your Missing Link from 1930

Bringing this thread back up after I got this bottle yesterday. It's most likely a 1931, I think. It's got a metal cap, not a plastic one. They started using plastic in the 1930's, so 1931 makes more sense. The 12 plant number was clearly altered in the mold, as was the "1" to the right of the O-I logo. I'm a bit pressed for time, so I'll just let you interpret the pictures...

 

[Wheelah23]

RE: Here's your Missing Link from 1930

Wonder if it works as advertised?

 

[Wheelah23]

RE: Here's your Missing Link from 1930

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[Wheelah23]

RE: Here's your Missing Link from 1930

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[cyberdigger]

RE: Here's your Missing Link from 1930

All you need from that mixture is the valerian.. a nice valerian tea would make for a most splendid snooze..

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

RE: Here's your Missing Link from 1930

Wheelah23 ~

Personally, I don't doubt one iota that your bottle is a 1931. But I am curious as to what you think the number 1 was altered to or from? I'm also curious if the O part of the mark runs through the Diamond or if it is only above and below the Diamond? The reason I ask is because in your picture it looks like the O may have been added later on top of an older Illinois Glass mark which was a Diamond only, and looked something like this ... <> ... Whereas the later Owens-Illinois marks looked like this <(I)>

As for the cap, notice in the picture below of my 1931 Owens-Illinois book at the top right of the left page where it says "Aluminum Capped Service." Also notice in the "Handy Flacons" section near the bottom of the page, where on the top line it says "Bakelite Caps." So they were definitely making both metal as well as plastic caps in 1931. Note: You may have to zoom in order to read the book clearly.

Thanks for sharing. Cool bottle with nice label and contents ... but I'm sure it's expired by now. Lol

By the way, if someone is interested in purchasing my 1931 Owens-Illinois "Prescription Bottle Ordering Book," I would consider offers of $50.00 or more. It may not be worth that much, but I like it just enough as an early O-I collectible that $50.00 is the least I would take for it. If interested, shoot me a PM with your offer.

Thanks.

SPBOB

[ I tried to post a larger picture but it wouldn't let me. On a scale of 1 to 10 the book is an 8.5 ]

 

[Wheelah23]

RE: Here's your Missing Link from 1930

Well, to explain what I mean by the numbers having been altered...

The "12" to the left of the mark is only partially altered. Whatever was once where the "2" is now, had been peened out at some point. The "1" was not added onto peened out embossing. This makes me think the mold originally had a one digit plant code on it, that wasn't plant 2. Then, when the mold was moved to a different plant, they scratched out whatever plant code it had before, and made it so it was "12".

The "1" to the right has the same clear evidence of peening. There is no way to tell what was peened out originally, but assuming this bottle IS a 1931, then this mold must've had either a "0" or a "9" before the peening happened.

The 1 below the mark has no evidence of peening whatsoever. It almost looks to have been added in as an afterthought, as it is not in line with the O-I mark.

Also, this bottle has a rather crude machine scar. Compared to the later scars, which are all but invisible, this scar is rather noticeable.

 

[MIdigger]

RE: Here's your Missing Link from 1930

SPB-- I know this is a soda thread. However yesterday I dug some small Genesee Dairy milks (Michigan) now what I am understanding is so far nothing earlier than sodas acl 34? . Ok this milk has an acl and has the markings 18 <O> 1 would this be a 1931 as it has no dot next to the 1?.

Secondly I dug a McDonald dairy pint acl with 18 <O> 0 and wondered if this is 1930? It appears all these milks are from plant No 18.

Sorry to drift off course on the thread but was curious. Thanks.

 

[SODAPOPBOB]

RE: Here's your Missing Link from 1930

MI ~

I am personally responsible for the topic drifting from early non-acl Owens-Illinois marks to just about anything acl related, so I wouldn't worry about that. In fact, I really need to transfer some of the acl information from this thread to my "Earliest ACLs" thread and do an update there. Which I intend to do sometime this weekend.

As for your ACL milk bottles being 1930 and 1931, I think the odds of that are pretty slim. This doesn't mean they're not, only that the current evidence suggest otherwise. Especially the 1930 bottle. Indicators suggest that in 1930 and 1931 most glass makers we just beginning to experiment with the innovation of using applied color labels. I have come to the personal conclusion the only way of actually "proving" that pre 1934-1935 acls exist, is to research the brand name itself and "confirm" what they did and when ... such as with Morb's Jumbo Cola that is fully supported with the 1934 newspaper article. I suspect with more time and research someone will eventually be able to say with certainty what the dots/no dots mean, but right now I honestly believe it is more of a guessing game.

Therefore, I am of the "opinion" (until further evidence surfaces to indicate otherwise) that your milk bottles are more likely from 1940 and 1941. Plant No.18 was in Columbus, Ohio, and according to the chart, "switched" in 1947. But I am not sure what it was switched/transfered/reassigned to. (Not all 1940s Owens-Illinois bottles are marked with Duraglas).

SPBOB